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On 23 June 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Answers Research Journal, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to one creationist journal, HIV has its origins in the Fall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Answers Research Journal. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Answers Research Journal), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Answers Research Journal you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Ldm1954 -- Ldm1954 (talk) 14:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there. I have been looking at the Good Article drive to try and understand how reviewing works so I can learn and possibly get involved in the future. I noticed that you quickly closed several nominations on TV soap characters on the grounds of RS problems. This sent me down a rabbit hole as I read the linked entries in the perennial RS list and the related discussions, and the guidelines for assessing Good Article Nominations, and several essays also. The end of which is I think that while it's admiral to want quality sources, you might have been hasty in quickly closing those nominations.

I came to this conclusion because: (1) the WP:DAILYMIRROR shows a 'No Consensus' symbol next to it in the table. Therefore, rejecting it out of hand does not seem justified by evidence. (2) the WP:METRO shows a 'Generally unreliable' symbol next to it, true. But that doesn't mean 'Do not use' (compare with WP:DAILYMAIL, which is clearly 'Deprecated'). Furthermore, looking at the list of discussions, 8 and 10 both show some support for using it in soap articles. (3) In the RS article, it says WP:CONTEXTMATTERS, which would seem to apply in the cases I spot-checked; where the article says "actor X said X, Y Z about their role/storyline/whatever fact", these would seem to be appropriate. In many of these cases, it wouldn't be possible to find a different RS. If there are alternatives, they would likely be a similar (or even the same) interview reported by another tabloid. It doesn't seem proportionate to set a bar so high that an article can't possibly reach it.

I hope you take this message in the spirit intended - please understand that I'm mainly coming from a place of "slightly confused and trying to understand how this works" rather than intending to be critical of you (assuming good faith). I don't know what country you're from and how much you know about British TV soaps. If there are any guidelines on judging sourcing for GANs that I've missed or am not aware of, I'd be glad to know. I'm also keeping an eye out of course for an Experienced editor to look at those articles to see what they might have to say. Best regards JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JustAnotherCompanion: Hi and thank you for your note. Before the start of the July backlog drive, I asked the main coordinator a simple question: how should we evaluate an article that is mostly based on questionable sources? Their response: “quick fail it”. If those articles contained, say, only 2-3 references to Metro or Daily Mirror then I certainly would not have failed it! But those articles were predominantly based on such sources. That’s not acceptable. I hope I managed to explain my reasoning a bit better! Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying and explaining you were acting on guidance from the coordinator. I think you and I are perhaps drawing the line in different places to an extent, but that's OK and I'll not try too hard to convince you to draw the line elsewhere. In terms of the Metro, I may not agree with you, but at least I understand you (it is perhaps a discussion that TVSOAP editors need to take back to RSN again, given that I also spot-checked a number of existing GA in the area subsequently, and got the impression that if they were reviewed to the sourcing standards you applied then they would all be delisted.). The only remaining quibble I have is that you're describing the Mirror as a 'questionable source' when the table clearly says 'No consensus'. That feels like a slight overstep to applying your own subjective view of the source rather than the objective consensus view. Thanks again for explaining the facts behind your reasoning. I hope you have a great day. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JustAnotherCompanion Yes, maybe going to RSN and trying to get a clearer consensus on the matter would help settle future reviews/reassessments. I hope you have a good day too. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]