Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008-09 United States network television schedule

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The result was keep. Singu larity 09:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008-09 United States network television schedule[edit]

Violates WP:CRYSTAL and is based not on fact but on rumor. Sources are not specific, do not reflect content and asks that we forsee the future.KellyAna (talk) 03:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This article isn't Encyclopedic, nor is it relevant for any purpose. Dwilso 03:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All due respect, do you ever say anything else? All of your rationale are either "not encyclopedic", which is an invalid argument by tautology, or 'not relevant', which is essentially WP:IDONTLIKEIT or WP:NOTINTERESTING. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 11:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Articles like this (yearly tv schedules) have survived AFD in the past. I realize that this particular season hasn't started yet, but we at least have some solid sources regarding shows which have been renewed. Zagalejo^^^ 03:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - and maybe 5 months from now it might be relevant but based on policy of WP:CRYSTAL and WP:V the sources aren't reliable and even the networks that these shows appear on aren't backing up what is being said in this article. KellyAna (talk) 04:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources are reliable? Zagalejo^^^ 04:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not put words in my mouth. I didn't say "none." KellyAna (talk) 04:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, well if some of the sources are reliable, then parts of this article can be salvaged, no? Zagalejo^^^ 04:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Other articles of this type exist (yeah, I know), and the information presented here is easily verifiable by the 30-odd sources in the article -- many of which indeed seem reliable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 04:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - FUTURE, can you point to any FUTURE articles that exist that purpose to see into their crystal ball and tell us what hasn't happened yet. KellyAna (talk) 04:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But this article isn't reporting the future; it's just reporting things that the networks have already announced. Zagalejo^^^ 05:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We are well into the second half of the 2007-08 season, which is exactly when these decisions are announced (advertisers and producers like to have lead time). This article is well-sourced, and the event in question is certain to occur. There is no violation of WP:CRYSTAL here. --Dhartung | Talk 05:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep How many times will we have to put up with this article for deletion crap? It is not WP:CRYSTAL now that NBC has announced their schedule. Let's just get a policy in place that the article can be created and kept once the networks have made their announcements. Cite Variety, no speculation per WP:CRYSTAL. Changes can be made as necessary, and the entire revision history can document what happened and when. MMetro (talk) 05:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete without prejudice to recreation in May, based on past precedent Even though NBC has announced its schedule for next year already (stupid move, IMO), I think we really need to wait for everybody else to announce their schedules in mid-May before we post this, but not only that, have regular media beyond the trades and insiders care about the 2008-09 season; almost all of the sources in here are trades or WGA strike-related articles used as sources here. Right now we haven't even had 1/5 of the current series return from strike breaks yet to sink or swim, and everything outside of NBC is still up in the air.

I'm surprised this article even exists; this season's schedule article wasn't created until May 12th, 2007 (with 2006-07 created on May 15, 2006). Early April is frankly way too early to be even worrying about the next season when most pilots haven't even been turned in yet, and I work on these schedule articles often. Nate • (chatter) 10:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. If there are announcements upon which to base it, then CRYSTAL does not apply. Covering future events is absolutely fine if they are notable and verifiable. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 11:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep poor sources to be removed, cleanup required, future tag needed Rotovia (talk) 12:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Celanor- It's not a WP:CRYSTAL problem because it's not looking into the future, but based off of announcements already made per the sources, and it looks well sourced to me. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 12:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as official announcements are now being made, so therefore WP:CRYSTAL does not apply. Article does need to be policed for speculation, and for the inevitable updates and changes that will occur over the coming months. 23skidoo (talk) 12:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
VERY VERY STRONG KEEP all the article needs in the future tag. --Yankeesrj12 (talk) 19:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These are based on announcements of the networks, and is by no means a crystal ball article. Zisimos (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Seems rather good and useful to me Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep I see absolutely no reason to delete this. archanamiya · talk 23:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is no crystal ball problem here. Everything in this article as a respectable source and is based on the actual network/company announcements. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 19:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP I dont see what sense it would make to delete this article when networks are about to have their up-front presentations. as a matter of fact, NBC has already had their upfronts and announced their fall schedule a couple of days ago...why delete this article when it is just going to be restarted...wikipedia has 50 years of television history and broadcast history recorded, so why stop now? it is sourced...yes, the article needs some clean up, but it will be come much more revelant when all the big networks finish thier up fronts, which is usually mid-may.--ChrisisinChrist ^{comments and complaints here!} 00:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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