Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2nd Battalion, 18th Field Artillery Regiment

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The result was merge to 75th Fires Brigade (United States). Merging to the only existing article, but if someone wants to create an article at 18th Field Artillery Regiment and merge this to it feel free. Tim Song (talk) 02:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2nd Battalion, 18th Field Artillery Regiment[edit]

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Non-notable unit. Even 18th Field Artillery Regiment does not appear to exist. Does not appear to assert any notability in terms of unit history. SGGH ^ping! 17:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note that the article was created by Charles432 (talk · contribs) combining both Public Domain and copyrighted text and then speedily deleted under WP:CSD#G12, I merely recreated a clean stub using the PD text. No opinion on the merit of the deletion request, although I have reverted the article text to the initial stub state, restoring the attribution template and the EL that was accidentally removed on the May 2 addition of unsourced content. MLauba ^(Talk) 17:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No sign of significance for this particular unit. De728631 (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge to 18th Field Artillery Regiment and Keep. We have a growing number of articles at Category:Artillery Regiments of the United States Army and the best way is to keep all the regimental data together - it gets too complicated if we have separate articles for each battalion. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the 18th has notability of its own? SGGH ^ping! 14:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Our general position is that battalion-sized units or greater are notable; you can see the other artillery regiments deemed notable in this category, and there are just about thousands of battalion/regiment articles over various wikis. Short answer: yes. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:50, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I have no objections to this. SGGH ^ping! 10:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge up to 18th FAR or 75th Fires Brigade (United States). bahamut0013^words _deeds 19:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If you look at 75th Fires Brigade (United States), it has several battalions 1st-17thFAR; 2nd-18th FAR (this one); and 3rd -13th FAR. Thus, I wonder if what they mean is that this is the 2nd Battalion (of the Fires Brigade), otherwise known as the "18th Field Artillery Regiment". If so, "merging" this to an 18th FAR wouldn't make a lot of sense. Renaming it and (possibly) redirecting the current name, might. IF this is a regiment itself, as I am beginning to suspect it is, then it should have its own article, but it should be properly named. David V Houston (talk) 20:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David, if you want to learn about how U.S. Army regiments are organised, take a look at U.S. Army Regimental System. 'Line' battalions of armour, infantry, artillery, and cavalry are battalions of regiments, not battalions of brigades. Regiments have several battalions - some had up to seven or eight in the 1980s. I continue to support an upmerge which will be able to cover all the battalions of the 18th FAR though all the time it's been active. Kind regards from Aotearoa New Zealand, Buckshot06 (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That helps. OK, upmerge as proposed by others. I know a bit more about military organization in the mid-19th century than in the early 21st, but not much about either, really. David V Houston (talk) 23:02, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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