Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allrise Capital

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The arguments to keep (or "leave") are not based in policy, and it's fairly evident that some form of canvassing or meat-puppetry is going on. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the result "delete".

>The arguments to keep (or "leave") are not based in policy,

imho the arguments "to delete" were not based in policy

>and it's fairly evident that some form of canvassing or meat-puppetry is going on.

Not true at all. The article "Allrise Capital" doesn't represent any form of canvassing/meat-puppetry. And this is real fairly evident. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why the article "Allrise Capital" was deleted? There were no promotion, no advertising, no anything else. The article can be improved. But the article about "Allrise Capital" was the same thing like for example article about the firm "Vertex United". But one article you have deleted (Allrise Capital), the other (Vertex United) stays here?! Really strange :((( Doandwin (talk) 08:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Allrise Capital

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There is not enough sources to show notability beside owning one stadium. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are not correct ... the firm is not only owner of the Chornomorets Stadium, because the firm is a title sponsor of the ukrainian premier league football club "Chornomorets" Odesa. Link according to the sponsorship is provided in the article.Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is that sponsorship significant or important? The league could find anyone willing to pay to sponsor them, it's not particularly significant by itself. 331dot (talk) 11:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

>The league could find anyone willing to pay to sponsor them,

Imho it's not correct. It's not the task of the league to find a sponsor for a league team.

Furthermore imho it has nothing to do with the question "There is not enough sources to show notability beside owning one stadium."

>it's not particularly significant by itself.

I disagree, it is significant ... doesn't matter it's about for example AIG (a while ago they were shirt sponsor of "FC Manchestere United"), or it is about "Allrise Capital" who is now shirt sponsor of "FC Chornomorets Odesa". The firm (Allrise Capital) is young, and not big, but their mentioned sponsorship of FC Chornomorets Odesa deserves attention. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 12:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I mean the team. A team can find anyone willing to pay to sponsor them. How is the fact that this particular organization sponsors them significant? AIG is notable on its own without any sponsorship deals. I'm wondering if you are associated with Allrise Capital. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

>How is the fact that this particular organization sponsors them significant?

Imho it is significant enough to be mentioned in a wikipedia article. AIG is not the best example, but there are enough other examples like that, whereby sponsor firm much much smaller than AIG. For example: Main financial sponsor of FC Chornomorets Odesa is "Vertex United". The company is not big, but there was no questions like this about "Allrise Capital".

>I'm wondering if you are associated with Allrise Capital.

I have with "Allrise Capital" nothing to do.

Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that you think it is significant, but you haven't said why. Is it a particularly large transaction? Did it receive a lot of press coverage? What about the sponsorship makes it significant? The mere fact that it exists does not count. There's no need to repeat my comments when you reply, they can be seen on this page. 331dot (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

>I understand that you think it is significant, but you haven't said why.

"Allrise Capital" is first ever US-based firm sponsor in ukrainian professional football.

>Is it a particularly large transaction?

Cause I'm not an employee of "Allrise Capital" I have no answer how big it is.

>Did it receive a lot of press coverage?

The deal is young, the press coverage will come.

>What about the sponsorship makes it significant?

see above ... first ever US firm sponsor in ukrainian professional football

>There's no need to repeat my comments when you reply, they can be seen on this page.

This way it is easier for me to split your questions.

Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can put together your answers with my questions. It takes up a lot of space to repeat them when they are immediately above. In any event, we need the press coverage of the sponsorship and its significance first, not later. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's very nice to know that you can put together my answers with your questions, but for me it's much more readable if I split you questions like a list of points. The press coverage will come, soon or later, but it will.Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to be an employee to tell me if the reporting of this sponsorship deal says is particularly large. 331dot (talk) 13:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but I think it's not about how big is the deal. It's more about whether it will be covered by media as an important/significant sponsorship deal for both sides (firm and football club).Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete most items found in Gsearch are crypto blogs/PR coverage. "Company pays money for naming rights" is mundane these days, nothing terribly notable. Oaktree b (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "First US sponsor of a Ukrainian team" could be significant, if it's reported that way, but the sources do not demonstrate that and the creator concedes that there is little coverage. 331dot (talk) 13:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* Leave. Imho it's not a case about "Company pays money for naming rights". Coverage of the deal will come. I mentioned it above. All the points mentioned under "delete" are not the points to delete the article. There a lot of wiki-articles that have to be improved. The solution could be to leave the article, but provide it some templates like "the part of the article has to be improved", and so on. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We need sources or it can't be improved, that's the issue. This isn't a dumping ground to keep things until sources are found that don't yet exist. Oaktree b (talk) 22:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's your opinion. I have presented my opinion above.Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 07:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source about sponsorship is enable, and I added it to the article. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* Leave. The company (Allrise Capital) is not a big one, but beside of sponsorship of FC Chornomorets and ownership of their stadium they are a venture capital provider, for example for "Automation Anywhere". There is source about the deal in the article. Guard123 (talk) 09:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails NCORP. If Web-wiki-warrior can point out the references that meet WP:SRIS I will gladly change my vote!. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CNMall41 Hello, you didn't provide any info or any link to the info, what is NCORP and what is WP:SRIS? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete looks WP:PROMOTIONAL. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 18:34, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* Leave. There's no problems if we talk about issues like WP:PROMOTIONAL, WP:CORP and so on. Prego-ogerp (talk) 09:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* Leave. Instead of deleting, you can use the following templates in this case: , and/or . Doandwin (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.