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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Relisting and semi-protecting to prevent all this SPA activity from happening. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Behdad Sami

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Fails WP:ATHLETE. delete UtherSRG (talk) 11:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. The fact that he's the first Iranian to play professional BB raises his notability, IMO, but I don't know if it's enough. David V Houston (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Doesn't the American Basketball Association (2000–present) count as "fully professional" for the purposes of wp:ATHLETE? In any cases, I see enough independent articles to probably make him notable under the GNG. Buddy431 (talk) 02:22, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep:Deleting this page makes no sense. By considering to delete this page its basically because you are trying to take away his accomplishments. Whether Behdad has played in the NBA yet or not does not matter. He was the first Iranian to ever play pro basketball regardless of what league, the wiki page doesnt claim him to be in the NBA, but being the first of anything deserves a wiki page. He happens to be the first in history to do it. Wiki needs to keep this page. He has also done a Gatorade reality show due to him being a top athlete in the world and because he was the first to play pro ball from his ethnicity. He has been featured in SLAM magazine along with 1000's of websites (google it), it would be a shame to delete this page. DO NOT DELETE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.237.199 (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: DO NOT DELETE. It makes no sense. You would not only be deleting Iranian Athletic history but you would be taking away all of Behdad's hard work and accomplishments that even got him the title of "worlds first pro iranian". How much proof do you need? No where in the wiki page does it take credit for him being in the NBA. Only credit and only title Behdad currently has is being the first pro iranian to play pro bball at any level in the USA. There are tons of articles about it all over google, SLAM Magazine and SLAM online covered him aswell, and this wikipedia page was made 3 years ago when Behdad started his pro career. It makes no sense why this is under review for deletion. DO NOT DELETE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoopindreams (talk • contribs) 07:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC) — Hoopindreams (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep:Hi my name is Behdad Sami, (the real Behdad Sami), this is something I find disrespectful to be honest. It says my page is under review for deletion. That is a huge slap in my face for everything I have done to get to where I am today. This wikipedia page was made close to over 3 years ago. I have been playing pro basketball since then all around the world. I became the worlds first Iranian to ever play pro bball in the USA and since then I have been covered by 4 different magazines including the biggest bball magazine worldwide "SLAM Magazine" and over 1000 websites all over google. I have never claimed to play in the NBA and I have not played in the NBA YET, but as far as playing PRO basketball, i have played in the ABA and other leagues in the USA which were all PRO basketball leagues. If wikipedia decides to delete my page this will be a huge setback in my career and accomplishments. They would be deleting Iranian pro sports/basketball history. That doesnt make any sense to me. Ill be honest with you, I have a lot of haters, critics, and people that wish ill for me and this doesnt surprise me at all. To me this is just another hater trying to take something away from what I have done. I pray you do not let this happen and that all the reference articles and magazine articles are more than enough. I can send you over 1000 links to different websites that can confirm my accomplishments. If this page gets deleted, someone else will take credit for something they did not do. My friend Hamed Haddadi is noted for being the first Iranian to play in the NBA, which is correct, but even NBA.com has covered me talking about me (behdad sami) being the first to ever play PRO period! By deleting this page, it would leave false claims for another athlete and I do not appreciate that whatsoever. I have worked my butt off to get where I am. 6 hours a day for the last 7 years with sacrifices you cannot imagine of, and all to get me to where I am today and for someone to even mention my name to be considered for deletion is a sign of hate and false judgment on their part. DO NOT DELETE -Behdad Sami —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.237.199 (talk) 08:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    One "vote" per person, please. Stifle (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: THIS IS BEHDAD SAMI AGAIN, WIKIPEDIA PLEASE READ THIS, HARRASMENT VIOLATION ON the user: UtherSRG (Stacey Robert Greenstein. UtherSRG is the one that sent this request for my page being deleted. After going to his page and getting his real name, I did a quick google of him and found his facebook. This is the same man that has been harrasing me on twitter (twitter.com/imbehdadsami) and it came to the point where i had twitter suspend my account and im in the process of making a new one. This man has something against me and I dont know what it is. I know in my profession of pro bball and being in the public eye, there will always be people that hate and dont like me for whatever reason and want to take away my accomplishments, but this is absord at this point. This man on twitter asked me specific questions about wikipedia and when i gave him info thinking he was a fan, he started harrasing me and saying things like "there is no more wiki" etc. One simple google search of my name will show you more than you need that I am the worlds first iranian to ever play pro bball in the usa, as mentioned before, if this wasnt enough proof, then the biggest bball magazine in the world "SLAM" wouldnt have covered on their print magazine and online site, aswell as Gatorade picking me and specifically saying "Behdad Sami, known as the worlds first iranian to ever play pro bball", and if there was any doubt after that, NBA.com has covered me in two articles where THEY even mention and credit me for being the first and all websites claim and give me credit for everything that has been written on my wikipedia. Check all the reference sources alone on the wiki page which is only 6, that should be more than enough. I'll have my rep put the two NBA.com articles aswell right now. Please dont listen to UtherSRG, this man has been harrasing me on social websites for the last couple days and he is not one to be listened to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.237.199 (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Basketball Nobility from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)

Basketball figures are presumed notable if they 1.Have appeared in one game in the American Basketball Association, Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto, Euroleague, National Basketball Association, National Basketball League (Australia), National Basketball League (United States), Serie A, Women's National Basketball Association, or a similar major professional sports league. 2.Were selected in the first two rounds of the NBA Draft. 3.Have won an award, or led the league in a major statistical category of the Continental Basketball Association or NBA Development League --This is behdad sami again, not only have I played more than 1 game in the American Basketball Association, but I have played in many countries around the world. I have articles from the American basketball association (ABA) and the National Basketball Association (NBA) giving me full rights and full credit and noting me for being the worlds first iranian to ever play pro bball in the USA, along side with over 1000 websites, magazines, and tv shows. What more proof do you need?? Wikipedia, everything I have said is the 100% truth and you can check google and/or the references in the wiki page. Please block user UtherSRG, he has already harrased me before on social networks, now he is trying to discredit my name, the proof is everywhere. Dont listen to one guy that happens to know nothing about me and for some strange reason has something agaisnt me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.237.199 (talk) 09:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • One "vote" per person, please. Use "Comment" if you wish to add anything additional. Stifle (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Two website articles from the NBA (National Basketball Association) itself claiming Behdad is the worlds first Iranian to ever play pro bball in the USA: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/09/14/haddadi.camp/ and http://www.nba.com/fantasy/pickone2007/pickone_033009.html . . . that alone is more than needed to keep this page. No deletion is needed. If the NBA claims it, then its the real deal. The NBA is the cake, with all the other things on Behdad on google, magazines, and the Gatorade show, its just the icing on the cake. MUST KEEP. DO NOT DELETE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoopindreams (talk • contribs) 09:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC) — Hoopindreams (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    One "vote" per person, please. Use "Comment" if you wish to add anything additional. Stifle (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Ya, you def. have to keep it. Behdad and "Buddy" make great points plus the proof is undeniable. If the NBA says he is the first to ever play and if all these sites (I just googled him) claim the same as the NBA plus theres all this other info and even Gatorade picked him for a show, theres not much more to be said. Everything his wikipedia page claims is 100% accurate and true. There is NO need to delete this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoopindreams (talk • contribs) 10:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC) — Hoopindreams (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    One "vote" per person, please. Use "Comment" if you wish to add anything additional. Stifle (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, being the first Iranian basketball player to ever play professional basketball in the United States would appear to be sufficient for notability. Stifle (talk) 11:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Thank you Stifle, I appreciate you looking over everything.--Hoopindreams (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment On notability: WP:ATHLETE #1 states "competed at the fully professional level of a sport". WP:NSPORT#Besketball elaborates that they must have played at least one game in (list of leagues). the list of leagues includes the NBA (the full professional league) and the ABA (the defunct full professional league). The subject played in the American Basketball League, which is currently the minor league of the NBA, not the "full professional" level required by the policy. This says to me that the subject fails the notability test of WP:ATHLETE. On harassment: This is ludicrous. I saw Mr. Sami tweet that he had a wikipedia article. I didn't know who he was. (I don't follow sports, except the Yankees.) I asked him where it was. He asked "where what is" and I clarified I was asking where his Wikipedia article is. I reviewed the article, found it to be lacking notability as above, and listed it here. I replied to him that I found it failing WP:ATHLETE and that I'd listed it here]. Three tweets. As we know, that no more than 480 characters. I have had no other contact with Mr. Sami. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports) Basketball(4.5) under chapter 4 Professional sports persons states;

Basketball figures are presumed notable if they 1.Have appeared in one game in the American Basketball Association, Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto, Euroleague, National Basketball Association, National Basketball League (Australia), National Basketball League (United States), Serie A, Women's National Basketball Association, or a similar major professional sports league. 2.Were selected in the first two rounds of the NBA Draft. 3.Have won an award, or led the league in a major statistical category of the Continental Basketball Association or NBA Development League. I (Behdad Sami) have appeared in more than 1 game in the ABA as well as more than 20 games in Pro leagues around the world. NO WHERE DOES IT STATE ABA IS MINOR. They have put the ABA and NBA under ONE category with the conclusion of line 1 being "or a similar MAJOR pro sports league". Wikipedia considers the ABA as a major sports league which it should be. You claim you dont know much about sports, so why would you even take the time to do this? The ABA was the first major pro bball league. INfact, the ABA is the reason we have the NBA, they formed the NBA from the ABA. The ABA till this day is a major league, not as major as the NBA but still is full pro. Minor leagues would be leagues such as the IBL or SEBL. Im not going to sit here and have a edit war or another internet arguement with you. Please do not speak or reference to me anymore. We will let the admin handle this. Which should be in my favor being that the NBA itself claims me as the first pro iranian bball player playin in the USA, not the first semi pro. If the NBA claims it, then thats a done deal. There is no higher basketball league in the world. As stifle said, it is sufficient for notability. There are 8 ref links on the wikipedia page alone that cover everything claimed in the wikipedia page.--Hoopindreams (talk) 11:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: I have interviewed Behdad Sami and covered him in an Iranian magazine I write for. All claims made are fact. Wikipedia should not delete this. Behdad was the first pro Iranian basketball player to play in the USA. Like he said himself, if the NBA claims it then there should be no more discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.14.69 (talk) 12:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: So is the current American Basketball Association (2000–present) fully professional or not? Does anyone know how much players are paid? Buddy431 (talk) 01:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: yes the current ABA is considered full professional. Players get paid different depending on the orginization. Average ABA salary is between $2000-5000 a month, plus per diem, traveling and housing. Some teams pay under $2000, but the teams that have been around for longer pay much better. Although they pay is no where near the NBA, since its still the same ABA from the 60's and 70's, its still considered under full pro basketball league. Semi-Pro leagues are leagues such as the IBL, SEBL, PBL, etc.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.14.98 (talk) 01:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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