Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CRG (kart manufacturer)

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The result was keep. PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 19:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CRG (kart manufacturer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This article was created in 2004, and - as far as I can see - about two years before the "notability" policies and guidelines were developed. In 2022, were an article of this type to be created via the AFC process, it would be declined as relying too much on primary sources (see https://kartcrg.com/about/?lang=en for an example) without WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources independent of the subject of the article. (I also note that throughout this article's history, it has included many manifestly spurious assertions.) In 2022, I would assert that this article fails any number of criteria for inclusion as an article following any number criteria including but not limited to WP:CORPDEPTH, and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport Shirt58 (talk) 11:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Italy. Shellwood (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. A7V2 (talk) 00:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep - I'm trying to understand the rationale behind this nomination but I simply can't. I can see WP:SIGCOV is hard to find as their name is a common acronym (as we can tell by the disambiguaton page), but the truth is CRG is one of the largest kart manufacturers and exporters in the world (with independent coverage to back this up, to the extent that even the kart racing article recognises them as such), having won the Karting World Championship 32 times and the CIK-FIA Karting European Championship 25 times. I'd say the page itself is quite poor, although not to the degree where WP:TNT could be considered. The information is good, but the writing and linking is improvable. The tables on all the stuff they've won are unnecessary too and poorly formatted. But other than that, it meets GNG without much problem. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17] and so many more independent sources exist, all referring to CRG as one of the leading kart manufacturers in the world. I don't think WP:MOTOR has a proper guideline for what makes a kart manufacturer notable, but in the absence of it: articles exist of other karting giants like Rotax, Birel, Tony Kart, Kosmic Kart or IAME, and also of several companies far less important than CRG... So my vote is clear. MSport1005 (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Same reasons as explained by MSport1005 (talk). DRYT.Motorsport (talk) 11:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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