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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "delete" !votes have the stronger argument. With no linked articles, we simply cannot have a disambiguation page. Randykitty (talk) 12:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dzubenko

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Disambig article for a surname, except for we don't have a single article about any of these people. It just lists 5 redlinked names, which makes me question both the notability of mentioning these people on wikipedia and the necessity for this article in general Openlydialectic (talk) 17:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

no Disagree. Rename to Dziubenko. This correct surname! See also Talk:Dziubenko. And see also uk:Дзюбенко in Ukrainian Wikipedia. --Микола Василечко (talk) 18:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Read WP:NOTVOTE. Openlydialectic (talk) 18:21, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Read the arguments. Your actions are destructive! --Микола Василечко (talk) 18:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 19:35, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A surname found both in Russia and Ukraine with interwiki links to corresponding entries in both Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias, although, as of this writing, the Russian and Ukrainian interwiki links flow to the redirect, Dziubenko, which is the English transliteration of both the Russian and the Ukrainian form (Дзюбенко). Neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian Wikipedia have an entry for the form Дзубенко (Dzubenko).    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    1) Disambiguation articles on Wikipedia exist to help people searching (in this case) for a specific surname distinguish between several people. In this case, there's nothing to distinguish between, the articles about these people do not exist, so I don't see why this article article should stay either.
    2) Dziubenko is not an English transliteration of the surname Дзюбенко - Dzyubenko is - per WP:Romanization_of_Russian. I don't know where that other user got his spelling from, he refuses to provide sources.
    3) BTW the name of the article should indeed probably be changed to Dzyubenko per WP:Commonname: "Dzyubenko" - "Dzyubenko"&sourceid=opera 66,100 results, "Dziubenko" - 12,400 results
    4) Also considering your long history of voting together with Микола Василечко to push Ukrainization of surnames/locality names in articles that often lack attention from mainstream editors ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]) makes me question whether your keep vote was submitted because of factual evidence, or because you're trying to push a little agenda here. Farewell. Openlydialectic (talk) 02:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename back to Dziubenko (possible option Dzyubenko). On the genealogical site MyHeritage there are 5,585 records for Dziubenko/Dzyubenko, and only 127 for Dzubenko. Dont think it was enough evidence for renaming to Dzubenko. Mykola Swarnyk (talk) 03:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional !vote: Whatever the name is meant to be, please find at least two, preferably more, existing articles for people with that name and link them in the fashionable non-red style which is all the rage with people who don't want their pages deleted. Without multiple linked articles we simply don't need a disambiguation page as there is nothing to disambiguate.
IF anybody can do that by the time this AfD closes THEN
Please count me as a KEEP.
ELSE
Please count me as a DELETE.
ENDIF
Of course, if there really are two different names then we can have disambiguation pages for both provided that both actually have multiple articles in need of disambiguation, so I don't understand why people are fighting over this one page. They could "see also" to each-other if the two names are similar enough to be confused. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:50, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. DanielRigal (talk) 20:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reply to Openlydialectic: 1) There are a number of disambiguation pages which consist solely of WP:DABMENTIONs. There is nothing wrong with such pages, which are preferable to redlinks. The five people listed at Dzubenko are notable even if no one has yet created articles for them in English Wikipedia. Anyone typing Dzubenko, Dziubenko or Dzyubenko would be either confronted with redlinks for all three or would reach this dab page which would have, as its main header, one of these three forms, while the other two would be redirects to this dab page. Since this dab page already contains interwiki links to both the Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias, the user would be able to research the individuals in one or both of those Wikipedias. However, if this dab page is deleted and Dzubenko, Dziubenko and Dzyubenko all become redlinks, with existence of (and access to) those Russian and Ukrainian dab pages remaining hidden to users of English Wikipedia, no one would be helped and potential users would be losers.
2) Dziubenko is the English transliteration of the Ukrainian surname, while Dzyubenko is the English transliteration of the Russian surname which is written Дзюбенко in both Ukrainian and Russian - per WP:Romanization_of_Ukrainian.
3) Since, among the five people listed at the Dzubenko dab page, four are Ukrainian and one is Russian, the main title header should be the Ukrainian form, Dziubenko. If, subsequently, the number of additional Russian entries exceeds the number of Ukrainian entries, the header can be moved to Dzyubenko. Basically, Dziubenko and Dzyubenko are different English transliterations of the same Russian/Ukrainian surname, while the current header, Dzubenko is a slightly different name — no one among the five people listed is named "Dzubenko", unless the transliteration is conflated with the other two.
4) Longtime users know well that Wikipedia encourages us to WP:Assume good faith and strongly advises as to WP:No personal attacks, especially in this edit, which questioned my integrity, even if you subsequently revised it to question whether my vote represented agenda-pushing. As you may know, I rarely if ever edit articles related to Russia, Ukraine or Eastern Europe in general and, while I participate in nearly all WP:Requested moves and WP:Articles for deletion discussions regarding those topics, my participation encompasses all WP:RM and WP:AfD topics, most of which are completely unrelated to Eastern Europe. The only time my path has intersected that of Микола Василечко is in the above-mentioned move requests, with no agenda on my part, other than the conviction that Wikipedia should render to Russians what is Russian and render to Ukrainians what is Ukrainian. Continuing on this path, if one were to comb through your user contributions, would one find that you have been pushing an agenda? Until later.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:37, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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