Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earl and Edgar McGraw

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete due to lack of independent coverage to demonstrate notability. RL0919 (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Earl and Edgar McGraw

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Violates WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. Almost entirely composed of fancruft - original research and extensive plot description, with almost no out-of-universe coverage and no demonstration of notability.

This nom follows the deletion of another similar article - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Kill Bill characters (2nd nomination). Popcornduff (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Without sources discussing real world relevance, this article is unnecessary. TTN (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article is in very poor shape yes, but these characters appear in several high profile films and in a way create a tounge in cheek "shared universe" of sorts, I would be suprised if there is not some kind of coverage of these characters.★Trekker (talk) 22:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't find anything significant online. Popcornduff (talk) 22:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep, first the Kill Bill character page, and now what's left? Keep per Trekker's observations that these characters create a shared universe bond between several films, and per common sense. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Popcornduff's inability to prove notability. The article has never had any sources that relate to the characters, likely because there are none whatsoever. A PROD was attempted in October 2008 but contested on grounds of perceived potential for notability, contrary to the PRODder's presumed findings. The characters are not strongly related enough to one topic for a redirect, though this may not be true for the individual characters. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 07:01, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The characters are father and son played by a father and son over the course of several films. Seem to be strongly related. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LaundryPizza03 means the topic of the article (the two characters) is not related enough to a single subject (such as Kill Bill or Death Proof) to redirect the article. Popcornduff (talk) 11:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to a lack of coverage that would satisfy WP:GNG. I disagree with Trekker's comment because whether or not a character appears in high-profile media or a shared universe is not relevant to this conversation. I also disagree with the "common sense" remark. A more convincing "keep" argument would cite sources that discuss these characters in a way to prove substantial coverage from third-party, reliable sources. I could not see anything, but if this information is provided, I would be more than happy to change my vote. However, right now, I agree with Popcornduff and LaundryPizza03. Aoba47 (talk) 02:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Aoba47._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There are really no reliable sources that discuss either of the characters in any more depth than brief plot summary. Despite appearing in several movies, their roles in most of these were extremely brief, so this is not particularly surprising. As Aoba47 states, its the coverage from reliable third-party sources that would establish notability for these character, and that does not appear to exist. Rorshacma (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - according to WP:FICTION, the WP:GNG applies to fictional characters - there is not enough significant coverage from reliable secondary sources to establish notability - Epinoia (talk) 04:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.