Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hong Kong women's national under-20 football team

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong women's national under-20 football team

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Unsourced, unverifiable, non-notable junior football team. Sent to draft, banged back into mainspace. PRODed, denied. And yet this incomplete mess of an article continues to survive all attempts to establish a draft article that may one day make the case for notability that today is signally lacking. Draftify or delete - your call, gentle jury... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Football, and Hong Kong. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or redirect to Hong Kong women's national football team. – Teratix ₵ 02:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - The U20s team was only established 2023. All the other references to the team in the article are actually the under-19 team but there isn't an article for it. The article as is isn't ready for mainspace but I think the topic is notable. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Stevie. Giant Snowman 19:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Stevie.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article after opening a section for the team in Hong Kong women's national football team, but without the statistics. If the section is developed and there is eventually enough information for a separate article, it can be recreated. I have seen a number of draft pages and I'm not convinced they are an efficient way of handling new or borderline topics. My perception is that drafts are largely ignored and become so much unnecessary clutter. Development of the topic within an established article would always be my approach unless there are policy/process limitations to be considered. PearlyGigs (talk) 06:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, new team that will certainly be noteable soon.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I see no reason why this page can’t stay but all these pages can:

--Dustfreeworld (talk) 20:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OSE on its own is not a good enough reason to keep. It would be better to prove that the article meets WP:GNG by providing sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In WP:OSE it says,

“If someone were, as part of their reasoning for keep, to say that every other main character in Star Wars has an article, this may well be a valid point. In this manner, using an "Other Stuff Exists" angle provides for consistency. Unfortunately, most deletion discussions are not as clear-cut, but the principles are the same.

Though a lot of Wikipedia's styles are codified in policy, to a large extent minor details are not. In categories of items with a finite number of entries where most are notable, it serves no useful purpose to endlessly argue over the notability of a minority of these items.”

And the article we are discussing belongs to this category:

- Category:Asian women's national under-20 association football teams

Thanks. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 21:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your claim that "most are notable" in that category; there's no evidence to suggest that our community believes most of these are notable. I've searched the records for AfDs relating to football and I can't see that any of these Asian under-20 teams have been subject to AfD before, therefore no consensus yet exists. This AfD is 'testing the water' as far as I can see. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So do you mean that most pages in that category are not notable, and that at least 13+ (out of 26) pages there should be deleted (and also 20+ pages in this category)? Well… that’s ok with me, since the main reason I oppose the deletion of this page is that I see potential unfairness and gender/racial biases there, and deleting most of them looks fairer to me. However, I still have doubts about the notion “there's no evidence to suggest that our community believes most of these are notable.” The fact that none of these Asian under-20 teams have been subject to AfD before probably means that our community believes they are noble and should stay…

Moreover, as I’ve quoted per WP:OSE:

“If someone were, as part of their reasoning for keep, to say that every other main character in Star Wars has an article, this may well be a valid point. In this manner, using an "Other Stuff Exists" angle provides for consistency.”

It seems also true that,

“If someone were, as part of their reasoning for keep, to say that every other main team in Asian under-20 teams has an article, this may well be a valid point. In this manner, using an "Other Stuff Exists" angle provides for consistency.”

--Dustfreeworld (talk) 11:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - no evidence of significant coverage from independent, reliable sources (see WP:IS, WP:RS). Not yet notable per WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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