Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Kickboxing Federation
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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Fails GNG Zafir94 (talk) 05:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Martial arts, and California. Shellwood (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This is an organization that seems to be just a shadow of its former self. It was never considered a major kickboxing organization and there's a definite lack of significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 03:10, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Papaursa, please see WP:NOTTEMPORARY. ~Kvng (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- WP:NOTTEMPORARY is irrelevant to my comment. The fact that it was previously PRODed speaks to the fact that its WP notability has always been questionable. As a long time martial artist, I was merely giving some background information. The fact that it's never met WP:GNG is a fact and a definite problem. Papaursa (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- A Newspapers.com search finds 234 mentions of "International Kickboxing Federation" in the 2000s, 40 in the 2010s and 1 so far this decade. So clearly, as you've said, it has peaked. WP:NOTTEMPORARY asks us to think about how this discussion would have gone if we were holding it 20 years ago. If we would have found it notable back then, it remains notable today. ~Kvng (talk) 22:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- My experience with the IKF goes back 20+ years, but that was before I ever heard of WP. What I remember is coverage of events and individual competitors and not significant independent coverage of the organization itself. However, doesn't mean it wasn't there and if you find some please let me know and I'll change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 23:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- I reviewed a selection of the Newspapers.com results and found it to be as you say, all about events and competitors. I didn't find significant coverage of the organization. ~Kvng (talk) 01:49, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for checking. I guess my memory isn't totally shot. Papaursa (talk) 02:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- I reviewed a selection of the Newspapers.com results and found it to be as you say, all about events and competitors. I didn't find significant coverage of the organization. ~Kvng (talk) 01:49, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- My experience with the IKF goes back 20+ years, but that was before I ever heard of WP. What I remember is coverage of events and individual competitors and not significant independent coverage of the organization itself. However, doesn't mean it wasn't there and if you find some please let me know and I'll change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 23:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- A Newspapers.com search finds 234 mentions of "International Kickboxing Federation" in the 2000s, 40 in the 2010s and 1 so far this decade. So clearly, as you've said, it has peaked. WP:NOTTEMPORARY asks us to think about how this discussion would have gone if we were holding it 20 years ago. If we would have found it notable back then, it remains notable today. ~Kvng (talk) 22:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- WP:NOTTEMPORARY is irrelevant to my comment. The fact that it was previously PRODed speaks to the fact that its WP notability has always been questionable. As a long time martial artist, I was merely giving some background information. The fact that it's never met WP:GNG is a fact and a definite problem. Papaursa (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd, not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It's part of the kickboxing history in the United States and the world. Just because it's not major anymore like WAKO, WKN, WKA, WBC Muaythai, don't forget it was! And as a user I always want to read about kickboxing history. IKF aren't trash. Zbreller (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Zbreller can you suggest any reliable sources for kickboxing history that have covered IKF? ~Kvng (talk) 13:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It is a niche sport and so we're going to find sources in niche publications. I've added a few links to Google Books sources. There are a lot of mentions in a lot of publications which indicate that the IKF is/was one of the biggest orgs for this sport. So far though, I'm still looking for something that will pass WP:NORG. I suggest that we'll find such material in a "History of" type book - can anyone more knowledgeable track something down? I'm deffo leaning towards a weak Keep at least on this. HighKing++ 20:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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