Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese miniaturization culture

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Walton ^{Need some help?} 17:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese miniaturization culture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This page makes no claim that this is in anyway an actual culture. Trying to find details on it just brought up tons of google hits on technology, but nothing that would be relevant to this article. Slavlin 16:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Unsourced. Also, "Some people claim that....", "There are some who draw a connection between...." and "However, others argue that...." all sound like ways to disguise original research. CIreland 16:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and CIreland. ---Cathal 17:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete OR-ish article that makes seems to make sense if you just skim it, but really doesn't: a similar article could probably be written about any culture in the world, as making things smaller is hardly limited to the Japanese. Mini folding umbrellas, one of the things listed in the article, exist all over the place. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Neier 01:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment — There's also Chibi and Super deformed, albeit those talk only about Manga & Anime.--Endroit 14:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This seem to be a widely accepted trend. See University courses [1]. It says: "Introduction to Japanese aesthetics in theory and practice, including study of ritual and specific trends in Japanese aesthetics such as imperfection asymmetry, suggestion, miniaturization, indirectness, wabi, sabi, hie-kare, yugen, especially as reflected and practiced in the tea ceremony." There are many unsourced articles in WP. Should we delete them all? Biophys 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC) O'K, I just included one reference to a book. There are many other sources.Biophys 00:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Fine, I just included reference to Encyclopedia Britannica online. Biophys 01:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Can you supply any re-writing of the article which would support miniaturization being a specific Japanese cultural phenomena based on those sources? Slavlin 15:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. I understand that all sources (Encyclopedia Britannica, the book by Japanese Professor, and UCLA Japanese culture courses) claim this to be a specific Japanes phenomenon. Anyway, what is the problem with keeping this innocent article? This is not something inflammatory or politically charged, I hope.Biophys 22:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your reading of the sources you are giving. They indicated that Japanese style tends toward miniaturization. They do not say that this is a discrete Japanese phenomena. And keeping an article that does not belong on Wikipedia hurts Wikipedia. Slavlin 02:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. Then just rename the article as Tendency of Japanese culture toward miniaturization if you like it better (I do not). There is no reason for deletion.Biophys 05:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Anyone that has ever been to Japan or studied the culture would recognise the phenomena enumerated by this stub. The stub will be expanded if allowed past infancy - although English language sources may be problematical - I suggest drawing it to the attention of some of our Japanese Wikipedians. W. Frank 18:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral - while such a culture may exist, I don't think that the version as of today (the 17th May) sufficiently asserts this. --Neo 18:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It is the responsability of the people wanting to retain the information to supply sources which assert that this is an actual cultural trend. I could easily create an article of American clothes-wearing culture and point out that you see people wearing clothes everywhere you go in America. That does not make it a phenomena of its own. Slavlin 20:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment But there is, nevertheless, a specific american dress culture: you must take your shoes off if you are to board a plane but put them on if you are to be served in an Arkansas store ("no shoes, no shirt, no service"). W. Frank 14:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.