Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was delete. If we are just vote-coiunting, it's 60% delete (15 delets, 10 keeps). However, a number of those keeps are either 'No, it's not a list!', 'I think it's useful', or 'If you have THESE, this should be kept'. None of which are ever great arguments. Most of the deletes refer to either the article being superceded by categories, or it failing WP:NOT. both of which are strong arguments (except two votes). Therefore, delete. If anyone would like a copy placed in their userspace, please let me know - I imagine this could be a useful reference for researching the history of the Sci-Fi channel. Proto///type 13:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD is the subject of this deletion review: 2006 July 17: List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs

List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs

Delete - A similar article passed this way recently. These 'Lists of movies shown on' seem to have limited value and are not directly sourced. BlueValour 01:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Precisely what the nominator said: this is nothing a category (or several categories) couldn't handle. joturn e r 02:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't think program listings for television channels are encyclopedic information. -- Captain Disdain 02:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: wikipedia is not a tv guide :p Zos 02:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not TV Guide. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 03:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Really needs Wikification and Keep for the most part. In relation to the very television channel, this would be rather pertinant information concerning the constant evolution of the Sci Fi Channel. Although it's definately a list right now, this duly needs to be Wikified in order to examine how SciFi Channel changed over the years, especially since 1998 wherein which much of the "classic" reruns, namely the now defunct second-run programming, seem'd to have disappeared and likewise prompted the start of more original series aside from Mission Genesis and movies produced by SciFi Pictures (however, they are usually rather horrid aside from their unintended[?] humour). DrWho42 03:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- But surely that would be something that could be far better accomplished within the main Sci Fi Channel article instead? I mean, there really isn't even anything to merge, this is just a list. -- Captain Disdain 04:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Some of it... But eventually it would overcrowd the rest of the article which is the reason why it was moved separately onto its own being.. Like I did for the marathon programming block called S.C.I.F.I. World and the two cartoon blocks they used to air on Saturday mornings during the early and mid 1990s. DrWho42 04:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, wouldn't it make more sense to split something off the article when it grows to that point? I mean, is "List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs" really the most convenient, sensible and useful thing to split off the main article? I mean, especially considering the name of the article, I just don't see this ever becoming useful... -- Captain Disdain 09:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not TV Guide. (IIIV 04:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]
Delete - looks like it could've gone somewhere, but easier to do categories since they update themselves too. -- RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib Reverts} 04:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a pile of indiscriminate listcruft. SM247^{My Talk} 04:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think many of you are knee-jerk voting to delete this without actually looking at the article, it reason for being or its potential. It is not a programming guide, but a verifiable historical documentation. It has the potential for seeding a "History of.."-type of an article. - Davodd 04:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I looked. It looked OK, but can be made with a few categories like "Sci-Fi originals" etc. -- RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib Reverts} 04:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on the Comment. There are already the Categories of SciFi Channel original movies and the more newly formed shows for the sake of organisation, although the main thing for this article is to evolve past its primitive list state and examine itself in more detail (i.e. why did they stop showing Lost in Space and olde Doctor Who episodes with its impact on the fandom, original programming, &c). DrWho42 05:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikify. We gots to know what Sci-Fi is showing.--Sinewaves23 04:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Wikipedia is not a list of lists -- MrDolomite 04:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree that this page can be expanded from being just another list and it is important to see what Sci-Fi has shown in the past and is showing now. --Electricbolt 04:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per WP:NOT.--Tdxi an g 06:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I can see this having some value to some people, but it could use some revamping. Maybe someone who finds the article useful will take this deletion threat to heart and contribute something of more value to it. HumbleGod 06:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as proposal. michaelCurtis ^talk+_{contributions} 10:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per TV Guide part of WP:NOT --14:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep I see the value in this article. NOT listcruft. Royalbroil 18:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOT -- Alias Flood 19:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - How is this any different than many existing articles? :

MakeRocketGoNow 17:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:No different. AfD them all, I'll vote. -- RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib Reverts} 17:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. -- Captain Disdain 02:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - For most of them; no different. Look out for more AfDs coming soon to a computer near you. :-) BlueValour 17:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOT This is also a policy, which means its non-negotiable, this shouldn't even be up for debate.--Crossmr 19:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think this is a useful guide and many of these films already have begun to be importance. Also, if we delete this we should vote to delete ALL of the above pages as well since it is absolutely NO different.--rxdxt 21:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Those films that have importance rightly have (or can have) their own article. A list showing what has been shown on which channel is unencyclopaedic and I find it hard to see its use. I will be bringing the others forward (unless they have additional merit) in due course. BlueValour 21:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Categories have a tendancy to get screwed up. This type of list article is found throughout the site. Like others have said, it could be expanded with information, wikified.-Giant89 22:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Information about what network a show is broadcast on is found in the article for each show as it is - the shows are not linked other than by virtue of being broadcast by a particular channel. Lists should really have a decent nexus, not just any particular common characteristic like who has aired them. There will be any number of these lists which repeat-mention popular shows, with only minor variations from list to list as you go from country to country. SM247^{My Talk} 22:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 09:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per User:Revragnarok, right down to the willingness to vote the rest of them off the grid too. -- nae'blis _(talk) 20:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Wikify. As others have said above, this has the potential of becoming an important article on the history of Sci-Fi Channel. Even in this form, it is highly informative. It's easy to forget, when turning on Sci-Fi once a week for SG-1 or whatever, how large a role Sci-Fi has played in producing, airing or rerunning science fiction series over the last decade, and how much it has changed over the years. It's also obvious that the list is already too long to fit in the parent article, and categories don't really give the big picture here. To delete this article as listcruft would be shortsighted, a loss and a shame, IMO. Karen 07:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep wikify Matthew Fenton (contribs) 19:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per MakeRocketGoNow Maxamegalon2000 23:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Kf4hzu 05:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.