Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of night buses in London

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The result was keep. L Faraone 00:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of night buses in London

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WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NOTDIR and WP:IMPORTANCE. None of the routes are notable. Tentinator 15:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. How on earth is a list of night buses in London indiscriminate? Buses in London are regulated by TfL and the night buses are an explicitly defined set. The fact that the routes are not individually notable is not relevant as the subject of night buses in London as a whole is notable. There is much directory information here, but there is also non-directory information such as the histories, so it needs editing not deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Night buses in London may well be a valid subject, but a list of routings is not. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that Night buses in London is a redirect to this article, which includes both a list and encyclopaedic discussion of the topic and of (some of) the individual routes. Please comment on the content, not just the title. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This seems to be the only article specifically about London's night buses, which are of special interest to Londoners as the rest of public transport shuts down overnight. This is a notable topic as there have been such services for over a century and there is at least one substantial book devoted to the topic — London's Night Buses — plus plenty of coverage in more general works about London's buses, which are numerous. The article currently has a list format but that's a natural consequence of the topic, for which the routes form a natural structure. So, the claims of the nomination are refuted and our editing policy applies. Warden (talk) 19:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question Does the book actually provide detailed information on individual routes? And is Capital Transport Publishing considered a publisher of reliable books? Can you please also identify the other reliable sources which cover the specific topic of different routes to which you allude? From having seen the extremely specific collection of books on buses on the top floor of the London Transport Museum's shop I suspect that this is a notable list, but I can't establish this. Nick-D (talk) 12:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete as a content fork of List of bus routes in London, in which there is already a section on night routes. There is no reason to treat the night routes differently from the day routes. Mangoe (talk) 12:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- See further comments below about splitting; however is that is not done we should stick to the original list. Mangoe (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there's a book published on the subject. The article can be either as re-direct to List of bus routes in London#Night only routes (N-prefixed), or as a sub-list (with more detail, per WP:SUMMARY) of the above article. Perhaps there needs to be a merge discussion on the talk page and a discussion about how much detail we need in the article. Edgepedia (talk) 13:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's enough material in many of the individual sections to consider this page worthwhile. Useddenim (talk) 15:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Most of the material is original research though, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. WP:ORIGINAL. Tentinator 15:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Many London bus routes have their own articles. It really makes no sense to introduce an intermediate level of detail for a limited set of routes. It would make a certain sense to split this out into stubs for each section. Mangoe (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of bus routes in London. I would say that particular article offers enough coverage of the subject, not to mention all of the individual article listings. There's no reason to separate them, especially when the main list has the night bus listing already. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 23:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Most London routes are usually kept & As far as I'm aware daytime buses are completely different to night times,

So perhaps putting ALL the info on List of bus routes in London would be better?,

→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 01:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- I have voted to cull most bus route articles, but the London ones have some stability over long periods. I guess that applies to the Night Buses too. However we do not need the list twice: ince in a general list and once in a separate one. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per most other keeps. Sir Rcsprinter, Bt (message) @ 15:51, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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