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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --JForget 22:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of xxxHolic Story Arcs[edit]

List of xxxHolic Story Arcs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This is a list of story arcs in the xxxHolic manga series. The list essentially constitutes an extended storyline (i.e. plot summary) without substantial real-world content, and the classification of these various (fictional) events and sequences as deliberate story arcs may constitute an original synthesis based on primary sources. (To be honest, I'm somewhat confused as to how some of the entries qualify as story arcs: e.g. "At the beginning of the arc, Yuko complains about how hot it is because of the Japanese summer. Later, Yuko decides to hold a ceremony with Watanuki, Doumeki, and Himawari at Doumeki's temple.") There is also the issue of notability: while there are many websites that mention story arcs in the xxxHolic series, there does not seem to be non-trivial coverage of the subject in reliable sources. – Black Falcon (Talk) 23:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • What do articles on some other series have to do with this? Doceirias (talk) 02:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Black Falcon--

  • How can there be any -- much less substantial -- real world content vis-a-vis a Japanese manga and anime? (and I'm not talking about Japanese publications, either) Granted, I'm not well read on Japanese anime/manga criticism, but I just don't buy this idea that there's this whole library of literature out there critiquing this Japanese product. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you can steer me to all of this literature that you seem to be alluding to. But I don't think that you can.
  • As far as notability goes, what one person finds interesting another person will find to be deadly dull (e.g., mushroom, textile, and printed circuit board just to name a few).
  • What's with this "May constitute original research"? If you think that this is original research, then say so. Personally, I think that you'd be on stronger ground if you based your argument on a lack of citations.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't think that this article should be deleted. Edited? Maybe, but then again I don't know -- that's what an article's discussion page is for.
NBahn (talk) 01:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. -- I see that Collectonian disagrees with me. I respcect his/her editing and suspect that his/her viewpoint will carry the day.

  • I wrote that the article "may" constitute an original synthesis because: (1) I'm not familiar with the xxxHolic manga series, and (2) I'm not sure how a number of the entries qualify as story arcs. With regard to the issue of notability, I was referring to the term as defined here rather than to the interpretation of the term as an equivalent of "importance" (see also Kesh's comment below). I hope this clarifies my nomination statement. Black Falcon (Talk) 03:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Fails WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:SYN. Of note, notability does not have to do with "what one person finds interesting," but whether reliable sources have documented the subject and shown it is of encyclopedic relevance. Blogs and fan-sites don't count. -- Kesh (talk) 01:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace with a list of manga chapters articles, which is the standard approach to this sort of thing. We already have List of xxxHolic episodes. Doceirias (talk) 02:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to List of xxxHolic chapters and edit to follow the standard format for a list of manga volumes and chpaters, following the model of the FL-class ones. Along the way, move the info about which chapters were adapted to which episode to the episode list. (If you want me to be explicit, we can put a "Keep and" in front.) —Quasirandom (talk) 15:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would disagree with this. This list is not very useful or appropriate for converting to a proper chapter list as it has little to no information of value to such a list. With the combination of summaries in "arcs", even the summaries are useless. Collectonian (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, it'll take work -- including adding publication info and rewriting the summaries. But really, a list of chapters is what it's trying to be, only it's divided internally by stories instead of externally by volumes. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where do you think it should be merged (and what should be merged)? Aside from the unsourced parallels between certain chapters and episodes, the rest is just detailed (and not entirely clear) plot summary. Black Falcon (Talk) 23:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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