Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucy Writes a Novel

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The result was redirect to List_of_I_Love_Lucy_episodes#Season_3. Wifione _.......^{Leave a message} 19:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Writes a Novel

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No notability established, in spite of its status as the episode of the famous I Love Lucy. Also, no citations. I have tagged every I Love Lucy episode article with issues to resolve, but I slowly cannot wait any longer. Gh87 (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 20:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The series is patently notable and the episode was patently watched by tens and probably hundreds of millions of people in re-runs etc. Why did the episode suddenly become non notable? Just because nobody watches much now? With that many watchers do you really think a ref doesn't exist? I understand WP's sourcing requirements to demonstrate notability but also I think it unlikely this will get deleted. Szzuk (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Redirect as below. There is nothing to indicate why this episode was particularly historic or in any way any more noteworthy than any of the other 100+ episodes. If someone can provide such evidence I will reconsider. The series itself was certainly notable, and it is commemorated at Wikipedia by a lengthy I Love Lucy article. There is also a separate article, List of I Love Lucy episodes; the episode Lucy Writes a Novel is mentioned in that list, and that is sufficient coverage for this particular episode. As can be seen at Category:I Love Lucy episodes, only a tiny minority of Lucy episodes have their own article. --MelanieN (talk) 17:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to List of I Love Lucy episodes#Season 3. Needs lots more Vitameatavegamins to qualify as a stand-alone episode. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of I Love Lucy episodes#Season 3. I think this a fair search term for a redirect to the season page. But there's no evidence that this is a particularly notable episode. Saying "a lot people watched it" is not sufficient and does not confer notability to a single episode. Things like awards for the episode or in-depth commentary on the episode by independent sources would be sufficient for an individual article. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 07:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per I, Jethrobot.No evidence this is a notable episode.--Cavarrone (talk) 08:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for major works, every individual episode is notable, and this show is the great originator of situation comedy and its subsequent development. The rule for notability is not especially notable , ort more notable than the others,but notable . How would it be if someone suggested not including a particular major league team on the basis it was no more notable than the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs) 05:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The MLB team is different from sitcoms and their episodes: the MLB is live; sitcoms are produced to sell their fictions. It is unfair to compare them; would comparing apples and oranges be fair? ...Anyway, this episode may have been watched by millions in the '50s and '60s. However, there had not been a word about it from viewers or anyone else. I don't think there is a word from the press either. Even viewership should not be counted as notable, unless there is a reason. Let's not get started on pregnancy episodes, all right? --Gh87 (talk) 05:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that this episode (and most episodes) are not individually notable because they have not received significant individual coverage. The exception actually IS the pregnancy episodes. Lucy Goes to the Hospital was front page news. I will go add some sources to that article right now because it definitely IS notable. --MelanieN (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have been searching for sources on Lucy episodes as a result of my comment above. As far as I can tell there are only five episodes of Lucy that are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. The Vitameatavegamin episode (Lucy Does a TV Commercial), the chocolate factory episode (Job Switching), and the wine stomping episode (Lucy's Italian Movie) are universally cited as memorable by everyone writing about I Love Lucy, so they should all have articles. Currently only one of them does, namely Lucy Does a TV Commercial, and I have added references to that article to show its notability. The other two do not appear to have Wikipedia articles but they should IMO. Also notable are Lucy Goes to the Hospital and possibly Lucy Is Enceinte. As far as I am concerned, those five are it; all the other articles in that category are not notable and could be redirected to List of I Love Lucy episodes using WP:Merging#Proposing a merger. --MelanieN (talk) 16:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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