Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medieval battles of the Bulgarian Army

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Medieval Bulgarian army. Clearly there is a consensus to delete this specific content, but this is a plausible search term and the target article would provide information on the topic, so a redirect seems reasonable. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Medieval battles of the Bulgarian Army

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This is a POV fork of the similar list in Medieval Bulgarian army, which apparently was also included by an IP in Bulgarian Armed Forces; Bulgarian military history articles have long suffered from editors (usually IP addresses) who keep adding a whole list of spurious "battles" (unsurprisingly, mostly Bulgarian victories) without reference to any source, riddled with typos, inaccuracies, and sundry problems. The very inclusion of this list in the Bulgarian Armed Forces article, or the use of the modern coat of arms of Bulgaria betray the nationalist POV behind this, implicitly linking the Bulgarian Army of the present-day country to the medieval period. Constantine ✍ 15:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not a single reference cited; I doubt if flagging the page would reveal any.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 19:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no problems with seeing this deleted. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nomination. No RS cites; no way to confirm information given. Kierzek (talk) 22:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As POV fork per nom. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:18, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - we have List of wars involving Bulgaria, which has a number of improvement needed tags. I think lists of battles is a bit too detailed and unconnected to be encyclopedic. Smmurphy^(Talk) 02:27, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Potential keep - List of wars involving Bulgaria conflates medieval and modern Bulgaria, as if there were continuity, ignoring a gap of over 300 years in the middle. It is duplicating a list in Bulgarian Armed Forces, but the answer might be to remove the list from that one and keep both. If there are some engagements about which there is doubt, the answer is to edit them out, not to delete the whole article. I would strongly suggest that WP should treat modern Bulgaria (since the Balkan Wars of 19th-early 20th centuries as a different country from the medieval Bulgarian Empire. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Normally, yes. but here a correct list already exists, in Medieval Bulgarian army; the list under discussion here is an exercise in POV editing that was (correctly) excised from an unrelated article. It is better to delete it altogether, and then, if necessary/desirable, consider whether to extract the list in Medieval Bulgarian army as a stand-alone article. I note that the conflation of the First and Second Bulgarian empires is also not entirely unproblematic, since they are vastly different states in terms of territorial extent, culture, organization, etc. but I can live with that. Constantine ✍ 18:59, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.