Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr Brian Foster,

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:31, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Brian Foster,

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Contested prod. Obituary for an admired high school teacher. However, all sources are primary, and there is no indication this man meets our inclusion guidelines. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 23:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you think a man that dedicated a quarter of a century to helping underprivileged children is not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, then delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roywirral (talk • contribs) 00:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

delete not notable. --Shorthate (talk) 00:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While I'm sure Mr Foster was a fine man he sadly does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Rotten regard Softnow 01:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 05:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 05:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While I do think that teachers of any country are often our most unsung heroes (my own uncle taught some of the most severely disabled children from various underprivileged backgrounds for years, so I know how hard they work), this person just isn't notable per Wikipedia's guidelines.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 14:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Completely non-notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: User:Roywirral, the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD, originally created this page as a userspace draft on his user page. He cut-and-paste moved it to the article space. If this article is to be deleted, I think it's necessary to delete that page as well. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. User pages are given far more leeway because they are not in article space. Many users fill them with things than interest them, including biographical information, that are not notable enough for the encyclopedia. Users can, of course, request deletion, blank, or change any subpages they have made, but it is up to them when (and if) that happens. The Steve 05:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is fine to use userpages as a place to store drafts of articles before they're moved into mainspace. It is not ok to use userspace as a way to continue to keep pages on Wikipedia that look like Wikipedia articles, on topics that have been deemed non-notable. See WP:UP#COPIES. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:14, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are mis-stating the policy you are linking to. It actually says "should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles..." It says absolutely nothing about before or after such subjects have been deemed notable. You should also be aware that Afd (Articles for Deletion) is the wrong place to decide to delete a user page. Wikipedia etiquette is to ask the user politely to change it if a user page violates some policy or another (which this does not). Generally, we don't go around deleting random user sub-pages. The Steve 12:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So if this article is deleted, should the user page that has some of the deleted content should be deleted as well? Michaelzeng7 (talk) 02:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose so. Probably we should get a consensus to do so here, to avoid the extra bureaucracy of a separate MfD. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The policy states:

Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content.
— WP:UP#COPIES

If I interpreted the guideline correctly, if this article is deleted, then its deleted content may not be held in any userspace. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 14:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are again glossing over the word indefinitely, which I tried to emphasize. ie, you can hold it for some time, but not forever. Is there some problem you have with asking the user first, or politeness? If the user wishes to keep it in user-space for a while, normally this isn't a problem, even if it is, strictly speaking, against some rule. You must understand, this is not about policy, or guidelines at all, but rather about how we treat user-space, and, by extension, users. Assume Good Faith and Civility, if you don't mind. The Steve 23:40, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I notified the creator of the problem with his userpage as well as a small elaboration as to why his article may be deleted. Hopefully this solves at least some of our problems. v/r, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that was all I wanted. The user has blanked his user page, as expected if you ask nicely, so all is settled. The Steve 08:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Michaelzeng7 (talk) 03:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Without reliable secondary sources that cover the subject in depth, the article does not pass WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- the article indicates nothing except that he was a teacher; as far as I can see a NN one. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - he sounds like a real-life Mr. Chips, but not as famous. Of course, great teachers are quite common, and we can't host an article on every one of them. Bearian (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As failing the proper notability guidelines. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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