Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quagmire

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep as a disambig. -- BD2412 ^talk July 8, 2005 04:54 (UTC)

This article has been marked as in need of cleanup for some time; upon reflection, I don't see how it can ever be anything more than a dictionary definition. Right now, a number of anonymous contributors are attempting to hijack it and turn it into POV veiled flamage at people who don't like the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but this is merely the last straw. wiktionary:quagmire already exists and looks good, if lacking in etymology. so my vote is Delete Zack 30 June 2005 06:18 (UTC)

• Delete. Sure fire target for POV pushers, and it isn't an article as much as a rant. Harro5 June 30, 2005 09:15 (UTC)
• Delete - un-encyclopaedic - nobody has managed to salvage it. Cutler June 30, 2005 11:01 (UTC)

• comment. I've made a stab at salvaging it in a way that I don't think invites further POV pushing. I invite voters to reconsider their votes in light of its current state. Dystopos 2 July 2005 21:19 (UTC)

• Redirect to Glen Quagmire - the dicdef and POV sporking are worthless Proto t c 30 June 2005 13:13 (UTC)
• Move to Wiktionary. Peter Grey 30 June 2005 14:04 (UTC)
  • It's already there. Radiant_>|< June 30, 2005 14:14 (UTC)
• Delete, redirect to Swamp. Radiant_>|< June 30, 2005 14:14 (UTC)
• Quagmire is, of course, also the site of Ben Dunn's comic series Ninja High School (120 issues and still going), as well as the title of 2 spin-off mini-series, all of them published by Antarctic Press. --Simon Cursitor 30 June 2005 17:36 (UTC)
• Cleanup. In recent years, "quagmire" has become virtually synonymous with "failed war", and there should definitely be something in Wikiworld reflecting that usage. Since that's probably not appropriate for a dictionary because it's not the technical definition of the word, Wikipedia seems like the place to do that. Dcarrano 30 June 2005 18:57 (UTC)
  • If "quagmire" has a meaning of "failed war", then the dictionary entry for the word should reflect that. It's not our job to make up for the shortcomings of Webster's. We're an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, dammit! --Carnildo 30 June 2005 21:04 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to swamp. --Carnildo 30 June 2005 21:04 (UTC)
  • Keep the disambig page. --Carnildo 6 July 2005 20:10 (UTC)
• Delete/redirect per Carnildo. — Gwalla | Talk 1 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)
  • Keep disambig. — Gwalla | Talk 2 July 2005 19:55 (UTC)
• Delete and disambiguate per Carnildo and Proto. — Phil Welch 1 July 2005 00:59 (UTC)
• Delete POV, not encyclopedic. JamesBurns 1 July 2005 03:13 (UTC)
• Delete but, per Dcarrano, the Wiktionary should should have a third definition reflecting the more colloquial usage Wertz 1 July 2005 06:21 (UTC)
  • And, since Wiktionary is freely editable by anyone even if anonymous, {{sofixit}}. Radiant_>|< July 1, 2005 08:24 (UTC)
• No vote I'm not sure outright deletion is called for since the political usage of the term is quite common, but the article has little potential to be more than a dicdef. Best bet would probably be to turn it into a disambiguation page. Kaibabsquirrel 1 July 2005 07:23 (UTC)
  • Change vote to Keep now that it has been redone as a disambig page Kaibabsquirrel 4 July 2005 19:53 (UTC)
• Delete This is dicdef for sure. I have yet to see how this article adds to the usefullness of the WP other than a dicdef which is grounds for deletion. Perhaps if the authors could create a list of quagmires, with the history of the term, and perhaps a VfD argument here to keep it; there might be a case. As of yet, I don't see one. Inigmatus July 1, 2005 19:27 (UTC)
• Keep I've removed the POV material and a useless reference, added Joshua Quagmire, Quagmire McDuck, and a link to The X-Files (season 3) which had an episode entitled "Quagmire". It is now, in my opinion, a useful disambiguation page. Dystopos 1 July 2005 23:40 (UTC)
  • Agreed, good re-write. Dcarrano 2 July 2005 00:03 (UTC)
• Keep in light of Dystopos's rewrite. – Seancdaug July 4, 2005 04:39 (UTC)
• Keep Dystopos's rewrite as disambiguation, watch to keep POV from slipping into to military metaphor entry.--WCFrancis 4 July 2005 10:15 (UTC)
• Keep I am also satisfied with Dystopos' rewrite. I'd like to draw people's attention to the discussion page, though, which confirms the need for an ongoing POV watch (as WCFrancis points out). Zack 4 July 2005 21:20 (UTC)
  • I'll be watching. Also, I think the article should be quagmire in lower-case. I'll take care of that after the voting process to avoid having to change the link here. Dystopos 4 July 2005 21:30 (UTC)
    • Ah... isn't it Wikipedia style guidelines to capitalize the first letter of every article name? Is it even possible to have an article that starts with a lower case letter (see, for instance EBay). – Seancdaug July 4, 2005 21:35 (UTC)
      • Right you are Dystopos 4 July 2005 22:08 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.