Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Hantz (4th nomination)

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The result was redirect to List of Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants. (And, for good measure, turned into a protected redirect this time). Black Kite (talk) 19:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Russell Hantz

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Contested Prod. Article was nominated THREE times and all three times there was consensus to merge or redirect the article. Now the article was resurrected with the same information on his survivor performance. N92413 (talk) 21:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect per previous AFDs consensus. N92413 (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect/Salt per nom. Enough, they only have notability for one thing. Nate • (chatter) 01:36, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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merge and redirect per other AFD results. 174.226.192.151 (talk) 23:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC) — 174.226.192.151 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Merge and Redirect per above. Notable only for Survivor performances and nothing else. 12.196.0.56 (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
keep I think that this article should definitely be kept. Hantz is not only noteworthy for his actual appearances on Survivor, but also for other controversies related to the show. He is also noteworthy for being on the show Flipped Off. Even if Hantz really were noteworthy only for his Survivor appearances, there are plenty of other Survivor contestants who have their own articles but are not really noteworthy for anything otherwise (Tom Westman, Cirie Fields, Kim Spradlin, etc.). Additionally, I have added several reliable sources to the article and made some major improvements and updates to it over the last few weeks. I understand that it still needs some improvements, but it is now by-far better than it was before. UPDATE: Article is now fully sourced with reliable sources, up-to-date, and well-written (compare before I improved it to the current revision). There is really no reason to delete this article. 108.95.130.150 (talk) 05:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
merge per consensus in previous AFDs. 64.134.70.93 (talk) 18:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC) — 64.134.70.93 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep - In addition to survivor, he then went on to flipping houses on TV. See [1], and [2]. -- Whpq (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – if you look at Category:Survivor contestants there are currently over 100 total articles on Survivor contestants. Hantz is more famous/notorious than all but a handful of them, being not only the greatest villain the show has seen but also an innovator of several strategies and tactics. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - while it might have gone through three prior AFDs, it also went through a subsequent DRV in March of this year (which is noted on the article talk page) which permitted recreation. The article was subsequently unprotected and recreated. Calling for prior AFDs to be recognised and enforced but a newer DRV to be ignored seems a bit silly. It was recreated on the basis of his additional television work. Any reason to think consensus has changed since March? Stalwart111 07:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Reality show contestant who does not meet the general notability guidelines. Coretheapple (talk) 16:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Significant coverage in multiple reliable sources is available in the references list and the coverage goes beyond one event. Stalwart111 22:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect per AFDs in the past. Has semi-notability in the show, and appears in other reality shows. ApprenticeFan ^work 03:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So we're ignoring the 6-month-old consensus from DRV to impose a two-year-old consensus from AFDs conducted before additional material became available? Stalwart111 04:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Stalwart111. I've looked at the older AFDs and the arguments used there to support deletion simply aren't valid anymore.108.95.130.150 (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He still does not pass general notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you explain this position relative to the sources that are in the article? Articles like this, and this are significant coverage with Russell Hantz as the primary subject. I could understand an argument of WP:BLP1E, but there is definitely significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. And even the one event issue can be overcome if we see continued coverage, and in the case of Hantz, he is one of the most notorious villains of Survivor, and has gone on to star in his own house flipping show (see [3]). See this article published just yesterday naming Russell's blindside of Tyson as one of the top 5 powerplays of Survivor which shows that coverage of Russell continuess. beyond the time period of his play on Survivor. -- Whpq (talk) 19:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Whpq. There are plenty of reliable sources on him. He was even nominated for a Teen Choice Award in 2010 because of his outstanding performance on Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains (see [4]) Also, in case no one saw my updates above, I have sourced ALL the material in this article and removed anything that couldn't be verified. That should be a good enough reason to keep the article: Hantz has media coverage from plenty of credible sources. 108.95.130.150 (talk) 23:29, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, normally I'd say WP:ENTREPRENEUR and point out that game show contestants generally aren't notable, but in this case Hantz seems to have stretched out his time in the public eye beyond the usual fifteen minutes of fame. Therefore, WP:BLP1E doesn't apply. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 12:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:55, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral. If you own and produce a TV show, you're likely notable. If you're only some cunning reality TV contestant fans talk about on twitter all the time then article eligibility remains questionable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.236.101.201 (talk) 11:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
merge to Flipped Off. The show itself has weak notability. 174.254.179.169 (talk) 18:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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