Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russo-German war

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. If you believe a move to a different title is appropriate, please start a discussion on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russo-German war[edit]

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Neither entry is a war article, but rather about a front in a war, nor do people call either overall conflict the "Russo-German War". Also, descriptive terms do not make suitable dab pages. Eastern Front is where these entries belong (and are listed). Clarityfiend (talk) 12:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Disambiguations, Europe, Germany, and Russia. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plenty of people call them that.[1][2] It's not the most common name, but it's a plausible redirect, and there are two plausible targets, hence we should have a disambiguation page. – Joe (talk) 13:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First, neither of the entries is a war. Second, those hits are mostly for a "Russo-German war", not the "Russo-German War" (and ~~the vast majority~~ all but one of the ones I checked refer to World War II). Dab pages are for actual titles, not descriptive phrases. Mount Everest, K2, etc. are tall, dangerous mountains; does that mean there should be a Tall mountain (disambiguation) or Dangerous mountain to climb (disambiguation)? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move. Similar to the page List of wars between Russia and Sweden, I think a better title would be List of wars between Germany and Russia. I switched the order because countries seem to usually be listed in alphabetical order.

Totally different animal. As I've stated above, neither of the entries is a war article; they're front articles, and List of war fronts contested by Germany and Russia just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move to List of wars between Germany and Russia. It might be useful to add to the list wars between Russia and parts of the Holy Roman Empire (e.g. Austria and Prussia). I do not think that it makes any difference that the articles are entitled fronts. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We have already proper disambig. page, and that is Eastern Front. But it does not hurt to have this page too, just in case if someone is looking for such subject. My very best wishes (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 14:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Like the editor above, I simply don't see any reason to delete this. Is it causing problems with linking accurately to some other article? If not, what does it matter if we keep it? (I also feel the need to point out that calling these "a front, not a war" is reasonably accurate in English-language historiography, but that's not the case globally - see for example the German title of the Eastern Front of WWII article, de:Deutsch-Sowjetischer Krieg.) -- asilvering (talk) 03:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Dab pages are not for descriptive terms, but for actual titles. There is no formal Russo-German War, only a couple of wars between these two nations. Do you see any British-French war?
(2) If you ignore (1), the only legit entries are World Wars I and II. Again, fronts are not wars. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:03, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(3) If you ignore (1) and (2), the entries also fail MOS:DABMENTION. Nowhere in the body of either article does "Russo-German war" appear. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. "Russo-German war" is a real term, found in the titles of books and articles, although overwhelmingly in reference to WWII. Srnec (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Also I don't share Clarityfiend's view that Dab pages are not for descriptive terms, but for actual titles. As WP:D2D states Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead. For instance, Joker, the example used by the guideline, links several works where one the character is called "Joker" even though it's not in the title. JBchrch talk 18:55, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.