Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Symbaloo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination withdrawn.

Symbaloo[edit]

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No evidence of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines, either in cited sources or in results of searches. Firstly, the sources cited in the article are: (1) Alexa Traffic Ranking information for the site, which is no evidence at all of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines, (2) a page at en.support.symbaloo.com, which is clearly not an independent source, (3) a review on cnet (4) a blog, (5) a news announcement when Symbaloo was going to extend its availability. The cnet review is the only one of these sources which could be regarded as the sort of coverage required by the notability guidelines, and that one review on its own is not enough. Secondly, I searched for information about Symbaloo. The first hits on Google were pages on Symbaloo's own web sites (www.symbaloo.com, www.symbalooedu.com, www.symbalooplaces.com), this Wikipedia article, download sites to get Symbaloo and similar, a blog, pages on the web sites of schools that use Symbaloo, designed to give people at the schools access to it, pages on YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. Nothing at all that I saw could be regarded as substantial coverage, let alone substantial coverage in a reliable independent source. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I originally proposed deletion (PROD) but the creator of the article expressed disagreement, so I removed my PROD, and left it to give the creator or anyone else a chance to find evidence of notability, but after three and a half weeks nobody has shown any sign of doing so, so I have brought it here for discussion. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 14:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesBWatson: Frankly, I am a little surprised about this deletion proposal. We had a discussion about this before. I submitted a number of extra sources and asked for your help integrating these sources. Now you submit this deletion proposal, completely ignoring the extra sources I provided and my request for your help integrating them. For reference, let me copy the sources I cited before:

Theo Besteman (13 September 2010). "Symbaloo start aanpasbare startpagina met slot" (in Dutch). De Telegraaf. Retrieved 21 January 2016.
"Startpagina Symbaloo voorgeïnstalleerd op Toshiba computers" (in Dutch). Emerce. Retrieved 21 January 2016. ("Start page Symbaloo preinstalled on Toshiba computers")
"Appreview: Symbaloo" (in Dutch). Nu.nl. Retrieved 21 January 2016.
"Make a Modular Start Page with Symbaloo". Lifehacker.com. Retrieved 21 January 2016.
"Symbaloo Makes Creating a Modular Start Page Easier". Lifehacker.com. Retrieved 21 January 2016.
"Inlogproblemen plagen nieuwe Symbaloo". Emerce.nl (in Dutch). Retrieved 21 January 2016.

These sources clearly show notability. There's coverage from Emerce, De_Telegraaf, Webwereld and Lifehacker, which are all reliable and independent media. Furthermore: when I visited the IPON 2016 fair last week, there was nobody who did not know the name Symbaloo. Michieldewit (talk) 19:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, my sincere apologies to you, Michieldewit. You posted a list of sources to the article's talk page, and asked me for help. I said that I wouldn't have time to deal with your request properly for at least a few days, but, knowing that I might forget, invited you to come back and remind me in a few days. I duly forgot to come back to it, and you didn't remind me. Yesterday, when I re-discovered the article, I did not remember that you had posted sources on the article's talk page, or that I had said I would look at them. I do apologise for my mistake.

I have now checked the sources which Michieldewit posted to the talk page, and which he has now linked to again on this page, and here follows my analysis of them. The first link is the same one that is in the article, and which I listed as number 5 in my original post above. The second is a report that the company had announced that Symbaloo was now being preinstalled on some computers sold in Europe. The third is a 7-sentence description of what Symbaloo does. The fourth and fifth are two blog posts, by the same person on the same blog. The sixth is a news announcement that a new release of Symbaloo was causing logging problems.

Unfortunately, none of that adds anything different in character from the sources that I had already seen, and taken into account when I made the nomination: none of it is substantial coverage of Symbaloo, of the kind needed to establsih notability, in reliable independent sources. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesBWatson: Thank you very much for your apologies. I am not completely sure what kind of sources would establish notability, if not those stated before. Would this establish it? Michieldewit (talk) 10:23, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Nederlands webbedrijf Symbaloo boekt succes bij Amerikaanse leraren". FD (in Dutch). 1 February 2016. Retrieved 16 February 2016. (To read the article, access it through Google)

@Michieldewit: The description of the kinds of sources that support notability is at wp:rs. In searching I find quite a few schools that have this product on their web pages, so I would expect to find articles in education magazines -- and I did. I can't easily share them because they are behind a firewall, but here are a few citations:
- TOP PRODUCTIVITY TOOLS FOR ADMINISTRATORS & EDUCATORS , Tech & Learning, 06/2013, Volume 33, Issue 11
- Symbaloo Introduces a New Visual Way to Organize and Share your Online Life. Virus Weekly, 12/2009
- Organize online resources with Symbaloo by Miller, Shannon McClintock. Learning & Leading with Technology, 03/2013, Volume 40, Issue 6

I'm not saying that these are enough, but this seems to be the angle to use when looking for sources. LaMona (talk) 15:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:28, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:28, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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