Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Junior College Student Government Association

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While evidently there is some effort to reach consensus that all student unions are notable regardless of sourcing, this AfD in itself demonstrates that this view does not currently have consensus. There is no evidence offered that this student union is notable within current definitions. Consensus is that a merge of this article would be inappropriate, although that is the usual procedure for handling student union articles, since there is no parent article to merge to. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable state group of Junior College Student Governments. Article is orphaned, unsourced, totally original research, and makes no assertion of notability. RedShiftPA (talk) 06:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Very weak keep Such articles to me are worthless, esp. without third-party refs, but it's no worse than any other article in Category:Student governments in the United States regarding notability, and I don't care to delete the whole bunch. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 10:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think the rest of those article in that category need to be merged into their school's main article, and I'll be doing that over the next few days. However, this one has no main article to be merged into. And since there are no 3rd party sources and no notability, it shouldn't have its own article.--RedShiftPA (talk) 13:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There just aren't enough independent sources around to save this article. I would prefer to merge it, but there's no appropriate "parent article" to put it in. Lovelac7 16:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Ongoing discussion on notability of student unions/student governments on TF:SA and WP:UNI. This article should not be deleted (along with all the other student union articles on AfD at the moment until clear guidelines on student unions may be reached. WP:NOT#Wikipedia does not have a deadline. Also note possible proposal of WikiProject Students' Unions, which is in the WPCouncil at the moment. The supporters of the project believes that all students unions have inherit notability regardless of sufficient coverage using standard WP:ORG. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 11:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I really doubt that "all students unions have inherent notability." 1) They are always local in scope, since they are connected to a particular campus. 2) They rarely (if ever) have an reliable third party coverage. 3) Once you delete all of the unverified, unencyclopedic, original researched material, all that remains is a stub. So, it just makes sense to merge the students unions into their main article. 4)WP:UNI's own standards call for students unions to be merged into the main article.

"Student life - Here is also a good place to mention ...students' union activities" (from Wikipedia:UNI#Structure)--RedShiftPA (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Unsourced, non-notable organization that fails WP:ORG as it has no significant coverage in reliable and independant secondary sources. Collectonian (talk) 02:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, it's notable unto itself. Reliable sources will come. Wikipedia has no deadline. GreenJoe 17:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I doubt WP:RS will come. I looked them and I only found incidental mentions of the TJCSGA and these: [1] and this myspace profile [2]
• Delete I guess I'll finally begin to comment on every single SU that's being AfDed. I'd say merge, but this is not an ordinary SU where it only represents in one specific college/university. Therefore, each university/college TJCSGA represents may note their SGA in their respective "Student life" sections of their university/college's main article. (Oh, and Comment: User:RedShiftPA needs to learn how to not fall asleep on the keyboard. The redundant tildes are very annoying since it screams "I have a massive ego and I want to flaunt it with many many signatures".) - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 04:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - such bodies need secondary sources that meet WP:ORG. This one hasn't and doesn't. TerriersFan (talk) 04:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - non-notable; fails WP:ORG. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.