Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyrant's Blood

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The result was redirect to Fiona McIntosh#Valisar with the option to merge any viable sourced content. I note some suggestions that the redirect target instead be the first book in the trilogy; I'm seeing numerically stronger support for the target I have chosen, but if there is disagreement, a different discussion may be needed, as consensus isn't clear as to the target. Vanamonde (Talk) 10:33, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrant's Blood

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Second book in a trilogy, all appear to fail WP:GNG/WP:NBOOK. (I don't know how to nominate three articles in one AfD, so please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Royal Exile and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King's Wrath for other discussions. This article has an unreferenced reception section that seems to be based on the book's publisher blurb. I can't find any reliable coverage of it otherwise. Courtesy ping User:Pburka who removed prod for this, with a comment: "Likely notable book. Translated into Dutch and French; nominated for 2010 Hemming and Gemmel awards (see isfdb.org). But we should consider merging all three books into one article.". I don't think translations are relevant to establishing notability (I think there was a Polish one too, shrug). I cannot find much about the Hemming and Gemmel award, it appears rather minor (and a nomination carries less weight then winning something anyway). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy, Literature, and Australia. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to author Fiona McIntosh per WP:ATD pending the discovery of any reliable sources. The author seems notable so it is a valid redirection. If sources are found, no qualms as to the recreation of the articles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Fiona McIntosh#Valisar per the lack of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:
A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
I found one source about the subject:
1. Woodhead, Cameron (2009-09-19). "Fiction". The Age. Archived from the original on 2022-08-14. Retrieved 2022-08-14.
  The review notes: "Tyrant's Blood is the second in her Valisar trilogy. In the first book, Royal Exile, ... The sequel takes place a decade later. The Empire flourishes under Loethar's dominion, but the Valisar heir, Leo, quietly gathers power in an effort to unseat the tyrant and reclaim the family throne. McIntosh is an imaginative world-builder, writing fantasy that brims with complex characters, carefully laid intrigues and hair-raising violence. This series may be her best yet."
There is insufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Tyrant's Blood to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 07:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Either merge into Royal Exile, the notable first book in the series, or merge all three into Valisar Trilogy. pburka (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect per Pburka. The trilogy is notable even if this book is not. Archrogue (talk) 20:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Archrogue What would make the trilogy notable? We haven't found a single source that's WP:SIGCOV for it. A redirect to the first book in the series, proved notable, which can discuss sequels, seems reasonable. The trilogy was PRODed, deprodded by an anon and I'll AfD it now. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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