Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uzu Hotel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. General consensus. (non-admin closure) Nördic Nightfury 12:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Uzu Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

fails WP:GNG. Sources 1-4 merely confirm existence of the hotel. Being struck by a missile once unfortunately is not unique in Libya . LibStar (talk) 09:44, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Besides the sources in the article, the Libya Herald had an entire article about it. [1] Was Benghazi's foreign press headquarters during the Libyan Civil War (2011) [2] And these are just English language sources about a topic in an Arabic-speaking nation. --Oakshade (talk) 05:04, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - barely passes on the basis of WP:SECONDARY in the English language, but per WP:BEFORE you need to check other language sources. When you google فندق اوزو بمدينة بنغازي. (the arabic version of the name) a bunch of secondary news sources cover the hotel in more detail. Fiachra10003 (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The article makes no actual claim of notability and doesn't say much more than the hotel exists, one of many tens of thousands of hotels in the world. The headline of the Libya Herald article says the hotel was being renovated. Hotels are renovated all the time; that is routine local coverage. The book ref is a passing one sentence mention that says reporters stayed there, again not significant. Without evidence to the contrary, I won't assume that the Arabic coverage mentioned above is not just more routine local coverage. MB 16:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these comments are a matter of regular editing. Hotels might get renovated all the time, but only the notable ones are given national coverage for such actions, hence the notability. --Oakshade (talk) 20:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, I guess. Let's see. I guess a couple questions are 1) does it meet WP:GNG and 2) does it fit in with the ~1000 hotel articles we have in Category:Hotels

It doesn't seem to meet GNG, no. (This is not necessarily a deal-killer, but it matters.) First of all one question is "do travel guides count as sources for notability?" Some say yes since they describe the entity in some detail, some say no because these are mere directories that list information on everyone, mechanically. But there don't seem to be even a whole lot in the directories. Passing mentions. There's a ref in a book, but its a passing mention.

Googling "فندق اوزو بمدينة بنغازي" does not really seem to get me a lot of really useful info. Some travel guides.

As to the missile hit reference, I can't tell, but it could be just a single sentence. OTOH this is Benghazi not Hawaii or London. It's a little out of the way, so you're not going to have as many refs. And there is the article in the Libya Herald "Benghazi’s Uzu hotel to get major facelift". Cant read it, but it's an whole entire article about the entity. That's something.

As to the question "If we have say 1,000 articles on individual hotels, should this be one?" Well, it could be that we should have 2,000 such articles, we just haven't made them all yet. 184 rooms or 262 is not a huge hotel, although it looks like a large impressive building. The Waldorf-Astoria New York has over a thousand for instance. But then Hotel Napoleon has 100. I don't really know the answer to this one, but let me recast it: "There are three articles in Category:Hotels in Benghazi (this is one). How many should there be?"

Well, Benghazi has 630,000 people, 1.1 million in the metro area. Hotels are part of the urban cultural life of a great city (they often host popular restaurants, too). Benghazi is on the Mediterranean so we would expect tourism to have some importance to its economy.

Hobart has 48,0003 people(221,000 metro) and Category:Hotels in Hobart has six articles... OTOH Category:Hotels in Adelaide is empty... Category:Hotels in Brisbane has six articles, and Greater Brisbane is twice the size of Benghazi, at 2.2 million... it's a mixed bag, and random depending on who decided to make articles, but I think a seaside city of 1.1 million (metro) ought to have at articles for at least it's main three hotels, probably more. Whether the Uzu is really one of Benghazi's Big Three I dunno, but could be.

On the other hand, it says here that it's a four-star hotel. Not sure who's rating, but the Tibesti Hotel is five stars I believe and I would guess that the Grand Hotel Benghazi is too. Those two are both a little little bigger than the Uzu too. So if you want to make the cutoff be five stars, you might not want the Uzu.

I don't see how the article is harming anyone, and we're not running out of paper. Since a reasonable case could be made either way, I'm not inclined to vote it out, for my part. Herostratus (talk) 20:12, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep - Libya Herald calls it a Benghazi landmark.[3] Arab News calls it the main journalist's hotel due to having the best Internet signal.[4] Seems a bit minor, but it's all relative. Timtempleton (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.