Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Varsity Trip

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS. I'm not terribly persuaded by the keep arguments; they seem to be a bit blinded by the Oxbridge Effect. The universities are notable, not necessarily a ski trip their students jaunt off on. But the debate doesn't delete it, and I can't reach that conclusion on some basis from the article itself. (Disclosure, not that it matters: I have jaunted off on this trip myself twice). -Splash - tk 23:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This does not appear to be notable. 34 unique Ghits, most of which are blogs from students who participated in it. Ohconfucius 03:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

addendum: as indicated below, the article did survive an AfD in April 2006. However, I believe the keep rationale was suspect, hinging on "has been going for 85 years supporting the ski competition between Oxford and Cambridge Universities which historically has been important particularly for the development of the sport in the UK", a claim not substantiated by any sources anywhere. Given that the jolly is attractively priced, hardly surprising that it enrols some 1500 students each year, but still hardly worth a wikipedia entry as it appears the intention is to promote this social club viz: "Today things have changed with the trip aiming to provide cheap skiing and promotion to newcomers to the sport", or to document the things a bunch of Oxbridge students do. There have been no earth-shattering improvements to the stub since the last discussion. Unlike the Boat Race, not all matches between the two arch-rivals merits an entry in wikipedia - this one has had little or no media coverage from what I could find. Ohconfucius 02:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per nom. Ford MF 06:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I thought this had been here before and was kept for a number of reasons including its importance for the history of the sport. However I can not find the earlier discussion. --Bduke 08:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Varsity trip --W.marsh 18:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep. Currently the material in the entry is poor, but event is notable. The entry should focus more on the historical role played by the Varsity Trip in the development of Ski Racing. I would agree that the current entry needs changes. --zadacka 16:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 18:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No outside sources to show notability beyond the organization's own web page. DarkAudit 18:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep, notability hinted at in previous AfD, just needs sources. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 19:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Those who wish to keep an article lacking in sources are responsible for providing them. the_undertow ^talk 22:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'm working on adding sources. It appears that slalom skiing was born in 1922. It would seem unlikely that the first Varsity Trip was run in 1920 (I have found a source stating that it was 1922, and have updated this) but this means that the trip will have been instrumental in pioneering the new sport. I'll try to keep working on this...Zadacka 16:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Seems notable and now has an additional source thanks to Zadacka who is working on the article. Incidentally, this diff [1] shows the nominator removed two links to the Oxford and Cambridge clubs that host the event just before listing this AfD. Care to explain why these links don't meet WP:EL? These are non-commercial sites with no advertising, directly relevant to the article and appropriately filed under external links. Paxse 17:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.