Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yiddish cup

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Supposed phrase definition, but I don't buy it -- may also be an attack related to YTMND. Google finds a few hundred hits, most for the Yiddish Cup Klezmer Band. Delete. bikeable (talk) 21:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: flooded with outside votes from wikijews.ytmnd.com/. silsor 01:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - is related to YTMND war, probably soon to become a popular word on the internet. Tokakeke 21:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• I find that taking this off would be caving in to the unfair policy that ebaums has. wikipedia has plenty of other pointless entries, why delete this one and not others. KEEP

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.237.238.144 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 11 January 2006

This user has never edited previous to this afd -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• "probably soon to become a popular word on the internet". Check back when it has in fact become popular. Until then, delete. DES ^(talk) 22:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• This phrase as a YTMND fad should be moved to the article about YTMND fads. The original meaning of the word is probably the domain of Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. DELETE

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.40.34 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 11 January 2006

• Keep This article has relevance, although it should be expanded wih more information on the origins of the phrase, as it can only be atributed to Neil Bauman at present as he is unlikely to be aware of the band 'Yiddish Cup' and if he was then he would be even more unlikely to use it in the way that he did (ie. its like someone saying "You've obviously lost your Led Zepplin" when they dont actually mean that one has misplaced a piece of music by the afformentioned band.)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.93.54 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 11 January 2006

This user has never edited previous to this afd -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• comment The phrase is usually pronounced with a Yiddish accent, and is actually usually spelled www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22yiddisha+kop%22&btnG=Search yiddisha kop or www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22yiddishe+kop%22&spell=1 yidishe kop. The current page unfortunately is nothing more than an attack page and should be Speedy deleted as such. If anyone wanted to make a page actually dedicated to the Yiddish phrase, they would have to have enough material to make it worthy on wikipedia, otherwise they should go to wiktionary. -- Bachrach44 23:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• The article was speedied a few minutes ago, but has since been recreated. Since we are in the middle of an AfD, much as I agree with Bachrach44, I think it's better to finish out the AfD process. I've reinstated the afd notice. bikeable (talk) 23:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Usually a sd takes precedence over an afd, but since in this case there's actually an argument in the afd (not unanimous), I can see your point and will go along with the afd. --Bachrach44 01:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This was very useful, many people (including myself) have been wonding what that comment meant. Now I know.[Tlaxcatl] 23:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.170.25 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 11 January 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yiddish_cup&diff=next&oldid=34820602

This user has never edited previous to this afd -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• comment Someone speedydeleted this even though there was a holdup tag on it (i placed it). I have recreated the article, making it NPOV and "attack-free", which is why it was deleted in the first place. Tokakeke 23:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I also came here to find out what a Yiddish Cup is. I see no good reason to delete it, it is useful. --71.134.232.56 00:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This user has never edited previous to this afd -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or merge just to clarify, if the page is about a yiddish phrase, then the title is wrong (see my previous comment), and it should be moved. If the page is about the YTMND fad, then it should just be added to the List of YTMND fads, and deleted. Also, I fail to see how this ebaum/YTMND war is at all notable. Since it started I've seen a lot of trolls creating attack pages when doing RC patrol, and frankly this is just another one of them. Wikipedia is not a message board, and this "war" should be faught elsewhere. --Bachrach44 01:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• I think it would be useful to have an entry on the expression "yiddishe kop" explaining what it means, and maybe having "Yiddish Cup" redirect to it, so the YTMND crowd that looks it up will learn the expression. Its popularization from the YTMND-ebaums war is trivial, and should not be included (except maybe on the YTMND fads page). But if the purpose of an encyclopedia is to educate, this is an opportunity. 128.12.32.214 01:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This user has only 1 edit previous to this afd -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - as per nom, not notable, too YTMND-centric Zig 01:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep with condition - Keep it only if the article is expanded to feature more information about the original idiomatic phrase (history, usage, meaning, etc). --82.52.180.185 01:59, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above IP has only edited to the article in debate

--Olpus 02:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Olpus changed the anon signature to his username. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yiddish_cup&diff=next&oldid=34839769]

• I agree with the nom and DESiegel. Delete it. - brenneman^(t)(c) 02:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete nn phrase. --Pboyd04 05:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge The term has no real relevance outside the YTMND community. I agree with Bachrach44, should belong to the List of YTMND fads, and not much else (and to clarify, I am part of the YTMND community) --Brian Callahan 06:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is the above user only edit -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Relist for vote in 6 motnhs' time, when it will either be notable or the dust under so many feet. -- SockpuppetSamuelson 09:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Err, that's not how it works. When something isn't encyclopedic, we don't warehouse it and hope for the best. WP:NOT a crystal ball, and all. Deletion (in its current form) isn't permanent so if in six months it becomes notable then it can be restored via WP:DRV. - brenneman^(t)(c) 23:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and Expand and Verify or Transwiki to Wikctionary and Verify People from one of those websites are obviously going to search for it, and we'd liket them to find it here. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I was wondering what it ment exactly and this article helped Johhny-turbo 04:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep- It is not only of importance with the YTMND-eBaums war, but is a phrase that deserves more publicity. Kevomatic 12:54 13 January 2006

The above user has less than 10 edits -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per DES. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Stifle 09:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete without reservation. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. (And I am aware of the whole YTMND business.) We are not here to decide what "deserves publicity" or "might become popular" either, as Wikipedia is not a primary source. Finally, the argument "this article could be useful" is not an argument. Lots of things can be useful and still not belong in an encyclopedia. This whole business is meshugge. JRM • Talk 17:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, and when we delete this, redirect to Yiddish words and phrases used by English speakers, which should have been done in the first place, but never mind. JRM • Talk 17:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree for the redirect in Wiktionary. --82.50.176.160 00:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Olpus 00:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous ip 82.50.176.160 changedd his signature to user Olpus, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yiddish_cup&diff=next&oldid=35089280 -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete --NaconKantari 00:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to YTMND or Keep 24.126.217.68 10:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC) <- this is me FranksValli 06:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I didn't know what this meant until i looked it up here.
• Keep - Same here, I do not understand a community that would delete something because people want it included for clarifcation.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fromage707 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 14 January 2006

This is the only edit from that new account -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 01:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This phrase is relevant to the Ebaums vs Ytmnd war, and will most probably get visitors. - Discombobulator^talk 18:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.