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The result of the discussion was delete. Legoktm (talk) 02:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The Tornado 2 (Sonic the Hedgehog) → Sonic Adventure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in article and no reliable sources to warrant a mention. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - name of an airplane occasionally present in the game. Not a likely search term, especially with that disambiguation at the end. Sergecross73 msg me 17:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog). An ultimately harmless redirect, but better off directing to a page that's more closely related to the subject being referred to, i.e., the character who created and typically flies the fictional plane. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 07:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Just a note that, prior to this nomination, this redirect was consistently averaging 0 views per day. No one is using this as a search term. Sergecross73 msg me 12:28, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, I ultimately don't care which way it goes. I suppose it's redundant to Tornado (Sonic the Hedgehog) so it has no reason to exist, but it also has no reason to be deleted. I just think as a general rule that it's better to retarget than to delete if a suitable alternate target exists, but whatever. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 16:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget; I agree with silvia on this one. I'm not knowledgeable on Sonic, but from what I'm reading so far, ideally, this would belong in List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters if we can get an entry on Tornado.InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 00:24, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The tornado is an airplane in the series. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 12:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The character list has a "2 major roles" inclusion criteria, and I fail to see how an airplane would ever satisfy that for a character article. (To be clear here, we're not talking about some sort of sentient, Thomas the Tank Engine type airplane here. It's just a regular ol' vehicle.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. The Tornado 2 is an upgraded version of Tornado, and while we have mentions of Tornado, we have no information about the upgraded one on enwiki. Jay 💬 16:28, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Jay. No information about the upgraded version available on Enwiki. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Undertale now mentions "Annoying Dog". Legoktm (talk) 02:44, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Annoying Dog → Undertale  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Could refer to any annoying dog like Scrappy-Doo or Dog (Duck Hunt). It is also not mentioned in the article. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 23:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget Names are case-sensitive, so "Annoying Dog" in caps absolutely is linked to Undertale. However, I think it should be retargeted to Toby Fox as his author insert and something about it added to the article, citing a primary source like the game's Greenlight Trailer. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Zxcvbnm: I did not understand the reasoning for the Toby Fox retargeting, specifically the part his author insert and something about it added to the article, citing a primary source like the game's Greenlight Trailer. Are you suggesting that a mention should be added to the Toby Fox article? Jay 💬 13:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I think that's true, but I'm not sure if an RS covers that the dog represents Fox within the game. If you can find an RS though, I'll support a potential retarget. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 00:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As I said, the game's Greenlight trailer is a primary source that Toby Fox uses the Annoying Dog as his avatar (the dog literally says "I'm Toby Fox, creator of Undertale"), so I think that at least a mention of it can be added given that Toby Fox himself is a notable subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Ambiguous. No suitable target exists as far as I'm aware. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate. Many video games have annoying dogs. I'll try to find I've found an RS that covers Undertale's Annoying Dog; GameRant has listed the Annoying Dog from Undertale as one of the best dogs in gaming. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is that relevant here? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because it helps add mention to the target, which InvadingInvader has done. Jay 💬 06:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Toby Fox with the addition of a mention. The nom stating "Could refer to any annoying dog like Scrappy Doo or Dog (Duck Hunt)" is the subject of one's opinion. Some people might not find either of those characters annoying. In this case, however, the name of the character is specifically "Annoying Dog". ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep since we do not have a mention at Toby Fox about his "author insert". Unambiguous unless we have a different usage of Annoying Dog elsewhere. Jay 💬 16:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Note that mention of the dog was added to the target a week back. Jay 💬 06:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Zxcvbnm and Blaze Wolf: With a mention now at Undertale, would y'all be okay keeping the redirect pointing there, or do you still want it retargeted to Toby Fox (which currently lacks a mention)? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 07:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Tamzin: I'm fine with both. Toby Fox seems like it would be the better place to send it however I"m fine with either. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 10:57, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I’d like to keep now. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate, keep, and retarget.

• Disambiguate Aerial art
• Keep Aerial circus arts
• Retarget Aerial arts to the newly created DAB at Aerial art. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Aerial art → Trapeze  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Aerial circus arts → Acrobatics  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Aerial arts → Aerial dance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These redirects should probably point to the same article; my preference is Acrobatics. eviolite (talk) 15:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that there is also Aerial landscape art, though I'm not sure "aerial art" is used to refer to that. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Acrobatics, which has a subsection for Trapeze and a Gallery of aerial artists, and put a {{distinguish}} hatnote there pointing to Aerial dance. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Aerial dance with a hatnote to Trapeze. Acrobatics need not be aerial, so it shouldn't be the target. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate "Aerial arts" -- there are aerobatics as well as skywriting and fireworks; and the "art" of aviation piloting-- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 05:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Aerial circus arts as is. Dabify the others per IP65 as those other things are plausible targets. MB 02:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget all three to Acrobatics#Aerial. Aerial dance can be hatnoted there. I'm not convinced the other things mentioned are ever called this. A7V2 (talk) 03:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I have attempted a disambig draft at the Aerial art redirect. Aerial arts can redirect to it, if the dab is accepted. Keep Aerial circus arts per Shhhnotsoloud, MB, A7V2, but oppose targetting all redirects to Acrobatics, as I don't see it as a primary topic over Aerial Dance, which is an art form. Jay 💬 10:04, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I think a highly unusual 4th relist is warranted, as there's still no clear consensus, but at a minimum having Aerial art and Aerial arts point to different pages is clearly unsatisfactory as an outcome. I would encourage participants to read the disambiguation draft proposed by Jay and consider whether it is a suitable solution.
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Disambiguate the subject is simply too broad for one retarget, but I would support noting aerial acrobatics as the most prominent entry on such disambiguation page. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 00:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Llay Community Church of the Nazarene → Church of the Nazarene  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirecting an individual house of worship to the decent-sized overall denomination isn't helpful for anyone, as the target is far too broad to mention the thousands of individual congregations under its umbrella. There isn't and likely never will be content about this subject at the target article. Hog Farm _Talk 21:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as a page with only one author, who requested deletion. If anyone else thinks a redirect from this title to somewhere would be a good idea, they are free to raise that. JBW (talk) 20:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Say hello to the future → IPhone X  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(Disclaimer: I'm the creator) Turns out that people don't usually search for phones by slogan; 18 views in past 30 days. Doesn't seem enough to justify expansion of such trend; recommending deletion InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Is this eligible for WP:G7? TartarTorte 19:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It should be...I'm dumb for not thinking of it lol InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  You're totally fine! If it has usage, a discussion isn't a bad idea. I think it can still be speedied if it's voted on that way. TartarTorte 20:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete: G7 TartarTorte 20:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I tagged it. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 20:08, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:31, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Sonic Adventure Vocal mini-Album (Songs with Attitude) → Sonic Adventure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Sonic Adventure Vocal Album (Songs with Attitude) → Sonic Adventure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Inplausible redirect due to the disambiguation being very, very unneeded. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment the full title of this album as it appears on the cover is "Sonic Adventure Songs With Attitude ~Vocal mini-Album~"[1], it doesn't seem implausible that someone would misremember the order. Thryduulf (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, I was going to say, it's not "disambiguation" as the nom suggests, it's actually part of the title of the game's soundtrack. It would be easy to add the name to the article, and retarget to Sonic Adventure#Music while we're at it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - guess I should have been more clear on this point - the nomination was flawed, it's the actual name of a soundtrack associated with the subject, and as such is a plausible search term. Sergecross73 msg me 16:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 16:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I feel just like a purple Pikmin → Reggie Fils-Aimé  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A quote from Reggie himself. Not mentioned in article. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 15:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Not mentioned in Wikiquote either. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:05, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and as a non-notable quote by him. This quote isn't as well known as his most famous quote My body is ready which has become a meme. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:29, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. If it's not mentioned, why do we need this redirect? I don't feel like a Purple Pikmin at all, especially with that heavy load I have to carry back to my underground Onion! Regards, ^SONIC(10)/₆₇₈ 04:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Given the lateness of the suggestion to bundle Amazon Prime's The Boys, I'm going to go ahead and close this as delete and encourage others to start a new discussion if they believe it is appropriate. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:56, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Prime: The Boys → The Boys (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nonsensical redirect. Prime: the boys. First streaming service, colon, then the actual show, the subject of the article? If someone would be looking for The Boys, they'll start with that, not the streaming service. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 15:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. We don't have redirects called Disney+: The Mandalorian or Netflix: Stranger Things. MightyArms (talk) 20:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Appears to be the only such redirect for an Amazon Prime series. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I'll just treat this as a malformed modifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 07:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as implausible name for the subject. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Amazon Prime's The Boys can also be bundled here. Jay 💬 16:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Closing early per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:28, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• 2024 United States Senate election in New York (state) → 2024 United States Senate election in New York  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as unnecessary and merge its history with that of the target article. All other US Senate elections in that state never had "(state)" in their article titles when created. Santiago Claudio (talk) 10:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as harmless and unambiguous, and tag it as {{r from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Being unnecessary isn't a valid reason to delete a redirect. - Eureka Lott 13:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Harmless, unambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 15:21, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: It’s cheap enough. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:02, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per everyone above. People are more likely to be looking for the state than New York City, but this unnecessary disambiguation isn't harming anything here. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 18:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ibid reasoning provided by Pizzaplayer, Steel, Eureka, and Sonic. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep per above. Oppose history merge as @Santiago Claudio: history merge is required only when one article is copied into another title. Creation of an article independently from scratch does not qualify for history merge. If there is some mergeable content in the now-redirect's page history, it should be merged and it's talk page should be templated with {{merged from}}. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 07:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep per CX and others. Redirects are cheap. We have the money space for a harmless redirect like this. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay 💬 11:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Thymoma-associated multiorgan autoimmunity (TAMA) → Thymoma-associated multiorgan autoimmunity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary remnant after a page move. If readers can enter the full name of the syndrome they don't need an abbreviation, and if they know the acronym only then they can find a link at the dab page Tama. CiaPan (talk) 09:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 06:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• 1984 (Wonder Woman) → Wonder Woman 1984  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect isn't very helpful, and it's a very unconventional alternate name for a film. Received 0 pageviews in the past 30 days. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I could maybe imagine some DC fans shortening Wonder Woman 1984 to 1984, but to search this, a reader has to both a) have stumbled upon the shortening 1984 somewhere, b) not know the movie's full title, and c) still know it's a Wonder Woman film. That leaves a very small number of people, even if you ignore the question of how many readers will type in parenthetical disambiguators when searching. To boot, this disambiguation format is mostly used for elements or characters within a universe, so the redirect might cause confusion by implying that there's something specific in the DC universe named 1984 (aside from the year). Glades12 (talk) 16:31, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm not a member of the DC fandom, so it is remotely possible someone might search for this, but again, emphasis on remotely. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I think this is a malformed modifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. - Eureka Lott 00:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Offender → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Offenders → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Offender has two meanings, 1) someone who commits a crime and 2) someone or thing that does something offensive. There are several works entitled Offender, Offenders, The Offenders (see the very long hatnote at Crime. I propose putting all these in a dab at Offender with a wiktionary link to provide a definition of the word. MB 00:22, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per nom. Sensible. Ovinus (talk) 04:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate. Offender doesn't seem to have a primary topic. Also, the plural was not properly tagged and still redirected to crime with the RFD message below, which I fixed. — Clyde ^{State your case} (please use {{reply to|ClydeFranklin}} on reply) 04:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I wandered about this with the 2017 film move a few weeks ago but I assumed crime was the only use likely mean in an encyclopedia but some of the uses at Offensive may be relevant? In any case a DAB for all the media both singular and plural would probably be useful so the DAB being at the basename may be helpful especially if not all the media relates to crimes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate - A disambiguation page with a dictionary definition could be created using synonyms such as convict or suspect found here. Alternatively, it could be retargeted to Offensive (disambiguation) or Offense (disambiguation)? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Disambiguate. "Offender" and "offender" have a number of meanings in both media and common language. None of these are what I call a primary topic, so a disambiguation page at Offender with a Wiktionary link is sensible. A disambig page would also free Crime of two hatnotes, which combined are pretty long at the moment. Glades12 (talk) 07:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per the above editors InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:21, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Dabify per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. The only person to !vote for a specific outcome !voted delete, and a 1-0 consensus to delete is sufficient at RfD, so, done. Noting an administrative finding that the article previously at this title, if restored, would have been eligible for A7 and G11 speedy deletion. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Flyers Skate Zone → Philadelphia Flyers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The SkateZone venture of the Flyers is not mentioned at the article and as the Flyers sold three of them^[1] and converted the fourth into a practice facility that goes by another name, meaning the "Flyers Skate Zones" do not exist anymore, making them highly unlikely to be covered in the article. This was the result of a WP:BLAR in 2014. TartarTorte 19:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, for reasons cited above.--IndyNotes (talk) 19:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  ...Umm, "Support" what? The nominator didn't state any specific action. Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no mention at target or anywhere. I don't think it is necessary to restore the article [2] as it appears to be written by an employee for promotional purposes "Follow the Link Below to our website". But I'm not opposed to restoring and sending to AfD if others feel it is necessary. A7V2 (talk) 02:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Proposed target is unsuitable per general rule of including only bluelinkable entries (where any bluelink here would, as a result of retargeting, become a self-redirect). No prejudice against recreation as an article if someone believes Widdifield is notable, nor against recreation as a redirect if a mention of him is added somewhere. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 02:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Les Widdifield → New Jersey Devils  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Les Widdifield was a long-time scout for the Devils, but he is not mentioned at the page currently. His passing is mentioned at 2011 in Canada#August, but nothing much about him is listed there either. TartarTorte 19:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Not mentioned at target, wasn't mentioned when redirect was created either [3]. I agree that the other article isn't a suitable either. A7V2 (talk) 02:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to 2011 in Canada#August, where the redirect target is mentioned. It seems reasonable to redirect his name to the place in the encyclopedia where we provide coverage of him. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget per Red-tailed hawk. -2pou (talk) 17:36, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per others, and delete the entry from 2011 in Canada as well. 2011 in Canada has only linked entries, and if we were to retarget there, we'd have to remove the self-redirect, and so delete the entry there anyway. Jay 💬 08:24, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Jay. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was replace with article. With thanks to BlackholeWA. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 07:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Post-Soviet studies → Kremlinology  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This subject is much broader than the subject of the current redirect target, Kremlinology. Its scope corresponds geographically to the former Soviet Union (or the moribund Commonwealth of Independent States), and it is a synonym for the largely overlapping current and formerly used names Eastern European studies, Eastern European and Eurasian studies, Eurasian studies, “Russian studies” (sic), Slavic studies, Soviet Studies, etcetera.  —Michael Z. 17:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• If there is no appropriate article for the banner topic and it is a recognized area of study in academia, I vote to Articlify the redirect to provide an overview, with appropriate links to the subtopics mentioned by the nominator. BlackholeWA (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I now have a draft for a stub article on this topic with other relevant topics listed, per below. BlackholeWA (talk) 23:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There might be a better main-article title. The moniker “post-Soviet” is definition by negation, less than useful because it groups a very diverse set of states by something they are now not, and frowned upon by some people in the field. That said, I don’t know what’s good, so it may need some research. (But I have no objection to creating it with this title to begin with.) —Michael Z. 20:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with Blackhole in principle and I do think that it could make a good article, but if not, then Disambiguate to Eastern European Studies, Russian studies, or whatever other field is necessary. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Post-Soviet states. The best way to study them is to read about them. Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate  As nominator, I endorse this solution. The broad subject overlaps with many others, and a link to related fields of study captures the subject better than redirecting to the collective subject of the subject. —Michael Z. 16:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not sure that a DAB is an appropriate solution here if "Post-Soviet studies" is its own distinct topic that can support its own article in a manner not already directly covered/discussed by the articles we would be disambiguating to. Do any of them actually use the term "Post-Soviet studies", or can we accurately say that "Post-Soviet studies" is an accurate alternate name for any of these topics? It sounds like it is not due to the larger scope. If the subjects are merely related then we should not be disambiguating to them per WP:DABRELATED. In fact, if it is its own topic and we don't have an article draft ready to go we should probably just delete the redirect to encourage article creation per WP:REDLINK. Alternatively if we were going to link to pages via a DAB anyway it might be just as little effort to simply put up a small non-DAB stub with a sourced definition and then stick the related topics in a "See also". BlackholeWA (talk) 22:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Edit: I have done some reading and drafted such a stub with some relevant citations to give a brief overview. As such I change my !vote to Promote draft to mainspace. I invite editors to make improvements as appropriate. BlackholeWA (talk) 23:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      Thank you. That is great. Go ahead and move it to draft space or main space, and we can close this RFD.  —Michael Z. 00:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

      • I have moved my draft to below the current redirect. Not too sure on the closing procedure for this sort of situation, but I think as nominator you can withdraw the discussion if you are happy to just go with the current draft? BlackholeWA (talk) 00:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Palestinian conflict. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The Conflict in Palestine → Israeli–Palestinian conflict  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous title which could refer to many things, should point to Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) Onceinawhile (talk) 21:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Srnec (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation). This is not a very popular redirect (300 views since 2015), but a google search with quotes shows that this phrasing has been used in RS including scholarly publications. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 15:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, leaning oppose: The phrase does actually still appear a fair bit in literature, including older [4] and more recent [5] usage, and it would seem to still point more to the conflict in general than any particular part of it. What exactly is the information pointing to it use to mean the Arab–Israeli War? Iskandar323 (talk) 18:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Maybe it's recentism, but most examples I find of this refer to the ongoing conflict and not specifically the '48 war or any specific war thereafter. At either target, it wouldn't be particularly hard for the target to find the alternative example, and with only two options, we can just hatnote at the current target to Arab–Israeli War. TartarTorte 11:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment it's not just Arab-Israeli conflicts, there have been a very large number of them in Palestine predating modern Israel. Such as the Crusades, the Roman invasion, etc -- 65.92.244.114 (talk) 11:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate or listify to all the various political entities that have occupied this territory since the Pharaohs first conquered it or DELETE -- 65.92.244.114 (talk) 11:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Palestinian conflict. Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Palestinian conflict per Anythingyouwant, seems to cover all bases. BlackholeWA (talk) 00:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Palestinian conflict per Anythingyouwant, it has been a disambig since 2011. The uppercased Palestinian Conflict and Palestinian Conflict (disambiguation) also redirect to it. Jay 💬 07:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Palestinian conflict per above. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 07:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Zappio → Zappio tram stop  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Deletion requested: unused redirect with no inbound links to the redirect. Target article is now an entry in List of Athens Tram stops#S16 due to lack of notability for a standalone article. Minoa (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as ambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Matriarch Gyrull → Ian Irvine#Three Worlds Cycle series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the drill by now. Another split-off from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 19#Three Worlds cycle plot points that is not mentioned at the target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Tirthrax → Ian Irvine#Three Worlds Cycle series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the drill by now. Another split-off from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 19#Three Worlds cycle plot points that is not mentioned at the target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:17, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. I can find no uses of this term for anything else. Thryduulf (talk) 11:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn (oops) (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Tallallame → Ian Irvine#Three Worlds Cycle series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the drill by now. Another split-off from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 19#Three Worlds cycle plot points that is not mentioned at the target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak broaden target as it is mentioned in the article itself but not in the subsection. --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep to Ian Irvine#Three Worlds Cycle series This one is mentioned. This is apparently one of the three worlds referred to in the title so it seems like a significant plot point that someone will be searching for. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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