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Indonesia[edit]
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sources applied or presented are of insufficient quality and quantity for this BLP, based on consensus. BusterD (talk) 15:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Kiboy (gamer)[edit]
- Kiboy (gamer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Obviously fails GNG. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 12:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Video games. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 12:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article has sources, and searching for this guy brings up a few more (e.g. 1 2 3). The names pops up in dozens of articles, most of them in Indonesian, and while I don't think that those are all pristine sources, "Obviously fails GNG" would only be a valid complaint if there were no sources at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cortador (talk • contribs) 13:11, June 30, 2024 (UTC)
- Excuse you? the three sources you've given are not reliable. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those sources would not be sufficient. I'd recommend looking more into things listed as reliable at WP:VG/S or WP:RSP. Sergecross73 msg me 13:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those two sites list few to no Indonesian sources, so they aren't very helpful here. Also, reliability doesn't require a source to be listed there. Cortador (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I did not suggest otherwise. But this is a WP:BLP. It requires sourcing stronger than a few obscure video game blogs. Sergecross73 msg me 17:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tribun Network - which is currently cited twice in the article - is a mainstream Indonesian news outlet. What gave you the impression that is is a "video game blog"? Cortador (talk) 18:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was referring to the three sources you (or whoever it was who failed to sign their own comment) presented in the actual discussion. The ones with names like "Oneesports", "VCgamers", and "Duniagames". Those are the ones that sound like low-level gaming blogs. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did you dismiss them based on the name alone then? Cortador (talk) 20:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, I evaluated them. You have an awful lot of (bad faith?) questions for someone who never even bothered to advance an argument for their reliability in the first place. Sergecross73 msg me 22:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no base assumption of unreliability for sources. Also, do me a favour and don't accuse me of arguing in bad faith when you are the one dismissing sources based on what their name sounds like. Cortador (talk) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no base assumption of reliability either. It's your prerogative if you don't wish to explain yourself, but it's certainly a bizarre choice in a discussion where you're trying to persuade others of your stance. Sergecross73 msg me 11:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've explained my stance above. Cortador (talk) 11:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no base assumption of reliability either. It's your prerogative if you don't wish to explain yourself, but it's certainly a bizarre choice in a discussion where you're trying to persuade others of your stance. Sergecross73 msg me 11:09, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no base assumption of unreliability for sources. Also, do me a favour and don't accuse me of arguing in bad faith when you are the one dismissing sources based on what their name sounds like. Cortador (talk) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, I evaluated them. You have an awful lot of (bad faith?) questions for someone who never even bothered to advance an argument for their reliability in the first place. Sergecross73 msg me 22:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Did you dismiss them based on the name alone then? Cortador (talk) 20:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was referring to the three sources you (or whoever it was who failed to sign their own comment) presented in the actual discussion. The ones with names like "Oneesports", "VCgamers", and "Duniagames". Those are the ones that sound like low-level gaming blogs. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tribun Network - which is currently cited twice in the article - is a mainstream Indonesian news outlet. What gave you the impression that is is a "video game blog"? Cortador (talk) 18:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I did not suggest otherwise. But this is a WP:BLP. It requires sourcing stronger than a few obscure video game blogs. Sergecross73 msg me 17:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those two sites list few to no Indonesian sources, so they aren't very helpful here. Also, reliability doesn't require a source to be listed there. Cortador (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You keep saying this as if that was self-evident. Can you read Indonesian? If so, what makes see these sources - or any others you should have found during WP:BEFORE - unreliable? Just declaring that anything on this guy is unreliable isn't sufficient Cortador (talk) 15:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not promotion, and a name popping up in a few places is insufficient for notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm not able to see or find the sourcing to support the WP:GNG of a WP:BLP. Everything thing seems to be brief mentions and obscure/unreliable gaming blogs. Nothing to build a case of notability around. The article is largely devoid of content anyways, so no big loss. Sergecross73 msg me 11:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Duri Kosambi, Cengkareng[edit]
- Duri Kosambi, Cengkareng (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No sources, 2-sentence stub. Shows no notability. GoldRomean (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would PROD this but it has been PRODed before, in 2012. GoldRomean (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. GoldRomean (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a sub-district of a sub-district, but seems to pass GNG fairly easily if not GEOLAND: [1] [2] [3] Most of the best sources appear to be in Bahasa. SportingFlyer T·C 17:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- At this point, delete. We're working from a decided lack of information here but GMaps shows this as, apparently, a neighborhood in Jakarta. Maybe it represents some level of administration, but it's patently not a village as the word is normally used in English, and the Indonesian term {Kelurahan} doesn't automatically correspond to a notable political/geographical unit. This comes across as part of yet another database dump except that we don't even know what database was used. Yes, we can verify that it's a "thing", but until we can say something about it in its own right, I have to go with deletion. Mangoe (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not going to vote because I'm not familiar with how region designations work in Indonesia, but if this were to be deleted, shouldn't Kedaung Kali Angke, Cengkareng Barat and Cengkareng Timur also be deleted because they are unsourced stubs about administrative villages? C F A 💬 00:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
2013 Ekayana Monastery bombing[edit]
- 2013 Ekayana Monastery bombing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Just a news story, no significant coverage beyond news reporting. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Terrorism, and Indonesia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Enough coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. This event did not receive WP:ROUTINE news coverage, but international news coverage [4] [5] [6], [7] and Time magazine analyzed the event in the context of Myanmar's Muslim-Buddhist conflict [8]. Longhornsg (talk) 03:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The coverage was beyond routine in that it was analyzed in the pattern of something else (the Buddhist-Muslim conflict in Burma), however it fails WP:SUSTAINED so I feel like at most this should be merged somewhere. I can't think of where... PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, seems notable as it passes WP:GNG and coverage seems to go beyond WP:ROUTINE. Ednabrenze (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Indonesia Proposed deletions[edit]
- Wayang Kampung Sebelah (via WP:PROD on 29 January 2024)