Hello. Do you know if there is a 1-track single, should be there a qualifier for released single, audio track from this single and song same as for multi-track single (higher than one track)? So in case of multi-track single there is a released single, audio tracks from that single (P658) and song.
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I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you are asking, could you rephrase it a little?
Sometimes a song is released on a 3-track single which consist of 3 audio tracks, so there could be 5 items for them (song, single, track 1, track 2 and track 3) so in the case of 1-track single there could be song, single and track 1.
Yes, absolutely, that's how it works. A 1-track single has a tracklist with one audio track, and that track is a recording of a song. So there will be three items.
Good to know.
Do you know how to "connect" them all? Do you know which property should be used to describe that single is a release of song ("part of") and the track is taken from the single ("part of")? There is also another problem because is actually item for a single, a group of releases? By term "single" we can mean any released version of this single like 3-track single and 5-track single are two releases of this "general" single.
Releases are a little more advanced, but you basically use Property:P9831 on each individual single release pointing back to the "master" single.
a single connects to track(s) using Property:P658
a track connects to a song using Property:P2550
We don't use "part of", and we don't need the inverse statements.
A great tool to help you visualize these relationships is the ExMusica scipt by Nikki, link it in your common.js file like this:
mw.loader.load("//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nikki/ExMusica.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
This script will help you see inverse music relationship in the WD user interface.
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If "Published in" (P1433) is not OK for a music track, we need something else instead, like making Q67018010 a property.
I don't think that's the best way forward, we're trying to get rid of superfluous inverse statements .
If you install the ExMusica script found at the top of my common.js : User:Moebeus/common.js - Wikidata you will then see all the tracklists that are attached to the track (among other helpful music things).
Example:
Please don't create items for discographies or lists unless they are associated with a Wikipedia article of that type.
We use the discographies to get rid of the free standing follows / followed by statements. Not ideal, but I think it's a reasonable tradeoff.
Thanks for following up. Can you point me to a discussion or any documentation for your representation? We don't normally permit discographies that aren't associated with an article.
I've been editing music pretty much exclusivly for some years now and this is the first I'm hearing about needing permisson to create discography items not associated with an article :)
While I can see an argument for such a rule, there are good reasons to stick to the established practise, imo. Cleaning up the unwanted use of follow/followed by/notable work statements chief among them.
While not a priority for me personally, I welcome a Project Music discussion around this and will obviously abide by community consensus. My main issue with your deletions was really just that they happened so fast and with no warning, and without cleaning up the structural issues (broken backlinks all over the place).
In new page patrol we frequently encounter people creating discographies, filmographies, lists, etc. that serve no purpose, and these are usually quietly deleted. This is the first time I've heard that a discography or list without an article might have any useful structural purpose. I'm still waiting to hear more about that.
As I explained in the other thread you created, it is good practice *not* to delete incoming links when deleting items.`
I saw your reply. I wasn't aware that we had a bot cleaning up the statements, that's a relief!
We use the discographies to match the "chronologies" found in the infoboxes on various wikipedias, the "prev. album < this album > next album" part. Substantial work has gone into moving free-standing follows/followed by statements and turning them into discography qualifers in a structured, consistent manner. This work is ongoing.
It's a bit of a pragmatic compromise, no doubt about it. In a perfect world we shouldn't need these types of statements at all as they would instead be handled by queries, but people *will* keep re-adding them straight from Wikipedia if we simply delete them all.
A rough estimate: in excess of 10.000 discography items are currently used this way, if I had to guess only a fraction of those will have Wikipedia articles attached.
I'd really love to see a link to some discussion of this data model.
Broader than just music, but Wikidata:Requests for comment/P155/P156 as qualifiers only, rather than as main statements - Wikidata is relevant reading.
I have temporarily undeleted these items to allow discussion to take place without additional structural damage, pending an answer to my question above.
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