Talk:Q1102051

@Palotabarát: Hello. Regarding your comment. I can understand what is written there. In vain you allow yourself a violation of ethics... --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Palotabarát: And further. Please tell me, what is the name of the article about him in the Hungarian Wikipedia? Brashchaiko was Ukrainian, not Hungarian, so there is no reason to write his name as Gyula. Since in Hungary he is also known with this name, you can write it as the Hungarian version of his name - but only as one of the options. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 10:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Бучач-Львів I completely agree with this: this is just one of the name variations that needs to be indicated and marked. He graduated from the university in Hungary and received his degree here, which was exhibited under this name: "Gyula Brascsajkó". This must be indicated, not undoing.

Other: Ruthenia could not grant citizenship, it was an unrecognized state that existed for a day. I also suggested that I type in the P937 when undoing. Failure to reply and re-enter will not be good for this edit. Palotabarát (talk) 11:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Palotabarát: Really, name "Gyula Brascsajkó" may be indicated ) His name was Юлій, not Gyula ) and Carpathian Ukraine, although for a very short period of time, was an independent state ) --Бучач-Львів (talk) 12:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Бучач-ЛьвівI am exactly aware that his name is Юлій, not Gyula, and the same thing was given in the article, only you started to undo certain edits, so we were talking about nothing here a day ago. The edit you revoked is as good now as it was before you undoing it.

I'm glad you created the Юлій name element, at least that made Wikidata more.

Other: The element of citizenship is misunderstood by many, including you. If there is a source that Yulii Brashchaiko passed the citizenship exam, had documents, passports issued by that state, you can write in it, but of course it was not, and you know exactly that. Ruthenia was an unrecognized state that could not have its own citizens because they did not have time to pass the necessary laws.

Please close this discourse because it will not move you forward. Palotabarát (talk) 01:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Palotabarát: Please tell me why you decided for me whether this discussion will move me forward or not? --Бучач-Львів (talk) 08:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Palotabarát: For the first time in my life I am discussing with a user from Hungary, and I am interested to know your point of view. Despite the fact that we have different points of view on some things, I am grateful to you for the time you spent on the discussion. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 08:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Бучач-Львів I didn't mean to hurt you, don't be mad. We just list the arguments and it is still included in the element Ruthenia.

I'm showing a query for Hungarian first names: https://w.wiki/4qxs

For items where there is a name in several languages (Hungarian citizen but lives abroad and has taken on a new name, or nationality living in Hungary), only language of work or name (P407): Hungarian (Q9067) is taken into account.

The same can be done for Ukrainians or Russians, only the issue of citizenship is more complicated. With this solution, we respect if a person is known by a different name in another language area.

On the issue of citizenship: No one in Hungary has changed their citizenship since the founding of the state, so we do not use elements that indicate only the form of state to denote citizenship. For those living in this country, these are used to indicate citizenship: Hungary (Q28), Kingdom of Hungary (Q171150) and Principality of Transylvania (Q655621). (We do not use: Hungarian People's Republic (Q16410), Kingdom of Hungary (Q600018), Hungarian Soviet Republic (Q243652), Third Hungarian Republic (Q718422)... etc) Palotabarát (talk) 10:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]