User talk:Kolja21/Archive/2020

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Hallo Kolja. Soll ich die Platzhalter-GND auch aus de:Anne Sunnucks entfernen? Ich wurde zur Einfügung in Wikidata inspiriert durch die de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:GND in Wikipedia vorhanden, fehlt jedoch in Wikidata, die ich im Artikel fand. Gruß, --Gereon K. (talk) 21:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Hallo @Gereon K.: Für die Platzhalter gibt es in Wikipedia den Parameter "GNDName", dann wissen wir, welche GNDs wir auf de:WP:GND/F melden müssen. Im Fall von Anne Sunnucks ist das bereits erledigt. Ich habe eine GND angelegt und Tn 185447112 entfernt, da in der DNB keine Literatur mit dem Platzhalter verknüpft ist. Beste Grüße --22:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

You thanked me at least twice for GND edits. For each Sächsische Biografie ID there must be Deutsche B. ID - I did that. And for each Deutsche there must be GND - I am working on that. Currently 272 Deutsche without GND https://w.wiki/QV5 - but some Deutsche are on the wrong item, so direct copying not possible.

And then each GND should have VIAF - but some GND are not in VIAF, even when the number indicates that the GND is old. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 04:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@MrProperLawAndOrder: I've start checking de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:GND in Wikipedia fehlt, in Wikidata vorhanden:

• Guido Novello da Polenta (Q1395927) ≠ Guido Novello de Mondigliana; http://d-nb.info/gnd/136153828
• Isaac Ellmaker Hiester (b. 1824) (Q13219651) ≠ Isaac Hiester (b. 1785); http://d-nb.info/gnd/138681600
• Paul Jennings Hill (Q1354071) ≠ Paul Hiller; http://d-nb.info/gnd/116812931

Can you add a source + date to your edits so we can trace the errors? In Casimir Dudevant (Q1047458) it was probably Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902). --Kolja21 (talk) 04:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. These 3 are from https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#/batch/33860 if VIAF existed I thought the quality of Deutsche is better and I could copy. If you see the history of the items, I have done it before for each Deutsche, but reverted the whole https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#/batch/33743 . Shall I revert 33860? MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 04:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I think no need to deprecate Deutsche, just delete. Too much bad stuff: François His - no idea why he was at Casimir item. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 05:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't have an overview yet. We need to fix the source of the errors. In Eberhard Matthes (Q1279212) the wrong GND was added with batch #26312. But the source of the error is #quickstatements; #temporary_batch_1581486542647. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, a lot from user:Thierry Caro and a temporary batch is harder to review. See also User_talk:Reinheitsgebot#Wrong_IDs - it seems CERL was added based on Deutsche. Maybe the whole catalog for Deutsche should be taken offline. It makes no sense - sometimes GND changes, also Deutsche is an aggregator so if one of the source changes, then Deutsche may loose certain humans completely. Deutsche should only be added if GND is there. Based on GND one can do quality control - only check if Deutsche has the GND or not. No name matching etc.

I will revert my batch 33860. Too many errors. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 05:17, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

597 Deutsche without GND sorted by sitelinks https://w.wiki/QVf . Maybe they should be deleted. Magnus and Thierry seem to not fix any of their false Deutsche and reviewing takes quite long. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 06:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I would like to check the edits and created new items for the missing persons on WD. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. You seem to come from top, I work from bottom, from bottom many are correct, so I only have to add GND and VIAF. My vision: have all DtBio in WD and each with label/description in en/de and with GND and VIAF ... yesterday I started batch adding ~80000 P7902 if P227 was already there. Next two steps: 1) add GND + DtBio if WD exists 2) create new items. Would be helpful if all human GND were already in WD. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 17:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that sounds great. BTW: There are still a few cases in which GND doesn't work with DB. For example: Ludwig Kiessling (Q1874660) = Deutsche Biographie ID sfz40917. "sfz" are the old IDs, see de:Vorlage:Deutsche Biographie. If you try GND 125177828 the result is: "Statuscode: 500. Person mit id=125177828 ist mehr als einmal im Index". I only found about 10 cases so it should not be a big problem. The links should work in a few months. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:32, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, also had some cases with multiple times in index. Good news: on "our" SPARQL list "DtBio no GND" I found some Tn and they are deleted in DtBio, so some progress there. 23.5 months Reinheitsgebot-made old duplicate: [1], had a Tn. So, maybe DtBio is active on clean-up and the duplicates will go away soon. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 20:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

https://w.wiki/QfX - 177 - maybe these first, so dewiki people have more input for "GND in WD but missing in WP". MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

From 177 down to 60 items. Carl Christoph Frauenlob (Q1037338) (b. 1708), bellfounder (Glockengießer) = Christoph Glockengießer, 15th century. Incredible errors. More than About half of the DtBio (+ CERL) IDs are wrong. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done https://w.wiki/QfX is done. @MrProperLawAndOrder: The 280 DtBio and CERL edits left (items without link to deWP) can be reverted. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Authority_control#Statistics_instance_of_human DtBio in Top10, maybe we can catch BnF and that will increase GND which will come closer to LC. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 01:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Imho we should start with the DtBio IDs that are linked to articles from ADB und NDB:

• Every biographical article with part of (P361): Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (Q590208) should have main subject (P921): person concerned.

I'm amazed that DtBio is already in the top 10. 300.000 is about 30 or even 40 percent of the existing DtBio IDs. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

DtBio website has more GND (~791000, mostly type=human) than WD has GND humans. But import is tricky, because maybe some of the humans are already in WD, but without P227. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not worried about duplicates, they later show up on Property talk:P227/Duplicates and can be merged. ORCID IDs have been imported the same way, some of them only with names like "A Miller" and no information at all. A bigger issue are VIAF IDs with GND. I would love to see them imported but I don't know how many of them are mismatched. VIAF is constantly improving but Wikidata keeps the IDs from the first import. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Today I merged ~10 where DtBio was on two items, even found 7 year old duplicate each with ~3 WP links. Helpful list! Many names looked so familiar ... all by me :-) MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Great job! --Kolja21 (talk) 23:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Re VIAF - what would you love to see imported? GND from VIAF or VIAF from GND? MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 23:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

GND from VIAF is the difficult part. VIAF from GND should be no problem. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

4 VIAFs added to an item which had 1 VIAF. Q5169 is a quite old. I just found it because the GND was missing on the linked cluster and I searched for the name in VIAF. VIAF can still improve. Anyway: https://w.wiki/R2z 30000 candidates. Rich data in WD, should mean few errors if a GND is found. One can also try with different set of properties. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 02:51, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. On deWP we try to find missing GND IDs through de:Benutzer:Wurgl/Fehler GND#Parameter GND ergänzen (TYP=p). Still a lot of persons to be checked. --Kolja21 (talk) 03:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#/batch/34203 - removed all P7902 which are not on DtBio solr-gnd-list. Now all links should work, except for ~100 "multiple time in index error". This batch removal: I checked Kritz and Gaudlitz, each was Tn and still is in dtbio but with another number. Also P227 might be wrong, my mistake from last week, copied from P7902 to P227. Maybe a bot/script could remove all Tn from Wikidata again? The good news seems to be, that DtBio removed a lot of Tn from their index, maybe they removed all, no idea. Then human items with P7902 would be even more a high qual data set. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 18:06, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#/batch/34212 - I made a new comparison of P227 human with dtbio-solr, now adding 4510. Look, Pellicer and Bar-sur-Aube only there, because I added manually the GND yesterday (our other discussion, about how to add GND). And also look, the end of the batch, several recently created items Q94... MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks good. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

https://w.wiki/Rkq : 475878 items, 475937 distinct IDs, 475939 ID claims. The difference between items and distinct IDs is due to duplicates in GND. If they are merged, they will also be merged in DtBio when DtBio refreshes their DB with the next GND dump. ID claims is two higher because same ID in two claims, probably two items, these are pseudonyms or something similar. 59 items to be merged in GND is not that much. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 04:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• now: 608749, 608836, 608839 and GND humans: 1001939. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 04:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

https://w.wiki/Raq - each DtBio human has p21 now. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 19:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I had a careful plan to create items and then to upgrade the information, avoided using time information from outdated sources. Jura1 jumped in with threats and outright negative statements regarding me as a user not my edits itself, I stopped the item creations, which is really bad, since any enrichment processes will then not be applied to these items. Now it may become worse, Jura1, Bargioni, Epidosis are talking about using old dumps. Since M2k jumped in with the claims of tool breakages etc. the working here is weird. He is now away, but Jura1 is in and causes many problems. Not a single useful input on P227 talk so far. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 23:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

That is sad to hear. You're doing a great job and I really like the way you take responsibility for your edits. Others just do an import and don't care for the errors. How many Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) are there right now in Wikidata? You've posted a statist but I can't find it. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Complaining about creation of low data items for which enrichment plans have been published and creating items with half the data without any enrichment plan [2]. I found it, because I made a rescan of all IDs in DtBio website, in P7902 and in P227. 106 new via QS batch. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Karl Kimmich (Q99418) is strange. GND & DtBio don't match. I have filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

https://w.wiki/TDH 70 missing DtBio, some are dab, one is literary work. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the list. Seems to be some research needed: Theodo II of Bavaria (Q656226): GND 122782186 → DtBio 122782186 doesn't work. Theodo II. in DtBio (other person) = GND 1081303158. GND 1081303158 is not yet in Wikidata. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:22, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Ooops, you are the expert to solve at least some of this :-) Please ping me and/or write in P227 when the new GND dump and the "Jahresbericht 2019" (June 2020) with statistics is published. When the dump is out the DtBio will probably have a refresh of the DB and several IDs changed. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't solve Theodo II of Bavaria (Q656226) and filed a report. The DNB Jahresbericht 2020 should be out soon. de:User:Wurgl is the expert for the GND dumps. I never used them. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:45, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

And Bargioni now also knows how to work with them, Maybe he and Epidosis can then do more work. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

http://d-nb.info/gnd/1062103904 :-) MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 14:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

X-90 is a pseudonym. "Auteur et dessinateur de bandes dessinées" (https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb13170987k). --Kolja21 (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Typ Person (piz) - wrong type. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 03:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done It's a Tp6. I've changed the sub type from piz to pip. --Kolja21 (talk) 07:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Property_talk:P227#For_humans_add_GND_if_VIAF_and_other_properties_exist - the first has no GND, but I scrolled down and each of 4 I checked had a GND in VIAF which I added using moreIdentifiers. You said you are worried that so many GND are missing, here are many human candidates. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 03:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

• ~16000 of these have a sitelink https://w.wiki/Tzn, restricting to dewiki brought timeout. https://w.wiki/T$6 93 having 20 sitelinks. 93 can be done manually. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

  https://w.wiki/T$F 76 having 20 sitelinks, including dewiki, could filter without timeout using subquery. Are there other GND creators that could help here? MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Iron Age human, since 2014 country of citizenship=Germany https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1247001&diff=116459651&oldid=99833743 MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 23:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

That's Wikidata ;) --Kolja21 (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:) and many other places in the www aren't better. I have many more ideas for improving WD. Soon item number 100 000 000. This number is small compared to the describable verifiable objects in the universe. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 00:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• 2017 bog body subclass of human https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q199414&action=edit&undoafter=425062446&undo=425981125
• several groups of American Indians were instances of human

big clean-up https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Database_reports/Humans_without_Q5&diff=1200899784&oldid=1198678770 MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 01:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

The hack to use spaced ISNIs to link to isni.org stopped working. The formatter cannot remove spaces. Three admins block the only viable and longterm stable solution - use the URL that ISNI IA promotes in the datasheet: http://isni.org/isni/000000007820432X , maybe with the variation of using https, i.e. https://isni.org/isni/000000007820432X by removing the spaces from P213. Seems the broken URLs are going to lead all the users that click on them for several more days to Page Not Found error pages. MrProperLawAndOrder (talk) 20:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey! Al-Hashimi, Hisham A. J is same with Hisham al-Hashimi. Hisham's full name is "Hisham Abd al-Jabbar al-Hashimi". --Ruwaym (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ruwaym: The same name: yes. But are they the same person? Hisham al-Hashimi (Q22690465) was born 1973, Tertiary microfacies of Iraq was published in 1985. Since it takes at least one or two years to publish a book, he would have written this book as a child. Greetings from Berlin --Kolja21 (talk) 14:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess you right. Based on what i searched, there is a Hisham al-Hashimi born in 1937 and another one born in 1973. looks both father's name is Abd al-Jabbar. --Ruwaym (talk) 15:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

And i guess they are wrong here about "Tertiary microfacies of Iraq, 1985". 1973 Hashimi wrote "ʻĀlam Dāʻish..." not Tertiary microfacies ...1985" as you mentioned. But this one is correct. --Ruwaym (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ruwaym: Thanks for your research. Can you add a Wikidata item for the 1937 born Hisham? --Kolja21 (talk) 16:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done Hisham A. J. Al-Hashimi (Q97101409) (not much infos about him, i keep searching), But i don't know how to link Viaf for the new item, while they confused both. --Ruwaym (talk) 16:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you check if Franz Mariaux (Q1441271) and Franz Mariaux (Q94841575) are the same person? I'm not sure. Thanks, --Epìdosis 15:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Good question. At first glance I would say yes, but:

• Franz Mariaux (1898-1986): Die Wirtschaftspolitik des deutschen Reiches im 16. Jahrhundert. Köln, Wirtsch.- u. sozialwiss. Diss., 1921
• Hermann Franz Mariaux (b. 1901): Die interimistische Diözesanregierung. Köln, Rechtswiss. Diss., 1940

So there are two persons mixed in de:Franz Mariaux. I will leave a note there. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I've merged the two items because they were created for the same person. New: Hermann Franz Mariaux (Q97150310) (b. 1901). --Kolja21 (talk) 16:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hallo, hältst du als Property Creator dieses Property schon für entscheidungsreif? --Emu (talk) 20:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, ich habe die Wochenfrist übersehen – ist erst morgen vorbei. --Emu (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, this GND is imported from Historical Dictionary of Switzerland (Q642074) (see https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/058048/2019-06-12/). If it is wrong in external sources, it would be better to use Rank to mark it as depredated -- otherwise it will simply get added again. Even better would be to report it to the external database so that they can correct it. --Hannes Röst (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@Hannes Röst: Das ist eine sehr gute Idee. Da du wieder die falsche ID, wieder ohne Quellenangabe und wieder ohne den Vermerk "depredated" eingefügt hast, habe ich sie für dich umgesetzt. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Danke, ich habe noch den Hinweis Grund für die Zurückweisung -> zurückgezogener Identifikator hinzugefuegt. Gruss --Hannes Röst (talk) 02:26, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Ja, einen Grund sollte man angegeben. Allerdings war diese Nr. schon vorher nur ein Platzhalter, s. de:Hilfe:GND#Personen. Stand Feb. 2020 gab es 7.046.133 Namenseinträge, die jetzt aus dem Index der GND gelöscht wurden, d.h. im Katalog der DNB über den Namen nicht mehr zu finden sind. In Wikidata wurde die Namenseinträge bislang gelöscht oder, wenn eine Quelle vorlag (überwiegend VIAF-Einträge), mit incorrect identifier value (Q54975531) gekennzeichnet. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi. In my contributions log, it's " Archivio di Stato (Q52539584) ‎ ‎Elemento unito a Q2122214 ". The former USED to be a disambiguation page in it.wikipedia and now it's not anymore and had to be interlinked to "National archives (Q2122214)". What went wrong? --No2 (talk) 22:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Like User:Mormegil wrote: "you cannot merge articles with disambiguations". If a link to a Wikipedia article is wrong, you can deleted the link and add it to an other item. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, I got a notification saying you undid my change to Q30541324. As a note I did it as it was linked by zbMATH, but if I'm not wrong zbMATH does use a bit of automatic systems and could be wrong. I don't speak German, and when I translated the GND id 101247796 it says that it is no longer part of the record.

I'm not sure what the link is with the 19th century jurist other than the same name, as I think the IDs 101247796 and 1157486053 might not be the same person, but on the record itself there are no details. Xenmorpha (talk) 07:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Xenmorpha, József Balogh (Q30541324) was a strange mixup. The item was displayed in a maintenance category (de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:GND in Wikipedia fehlt, in Wikidata vorhanden) linked to a namesake so I did an undo. Later I've noticed that you haven't added the namesake but an outdated ID 101247796. The correct ID (GND 1222588714) is now entered. Sorry for the trouble. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, I didn't know what was the correct ID, but cheers :) Personally I'm trying to get a web of mathematical authors linked up on Wikidata, which I believe in due to its CC0/Public Domain requirement, I appreciate all good info. Xenmorpha (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

wenn bei VIAF ein falsches Wikidata-Item verknüpft wird? Über die Normdatenergänzung auf DE hatte mir Apper-Bot bei Q72219473 viaf:10146635426341980660 vorgeschlagen. Das ist aber eine komplett andere Person... Ich habe jetzt VIAF eingetragen und gleichzeitig als Missbilligt gekennzeichnet. Ist das korrekt oder gäbe es eine andere/bessere Lösung? Vielen, vielen Dank für Deine Unterstützung und einen schönen Nikolaustag wünscht Dir, Silewe (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Hallo @Silewe: Der Zurückweisungsgrund ist in diesem Fall strenggenommen conflation (Q14946528), denn eine Zuordnung (Wikidata) stimmt. Wichtig ist aber eigentlich nur, dass man, so wie du es getan hast, das Abrufdatum einträgt, denn die Cluster werden ja laufend neu zusammengestellt. VIAF:10146635426341980660 vermischt anscheinend drei Personen. Ich habe die fehlenden Einträge angelegt:

• Emese Tóth (Q103936446), Herausgeberin des Albums mit zeitgenössischen Fotografien
• Emese Tóth (Q103936948), Ärztin und Co-Autorin des Aufsatzes Hungarian high school students' attitudes toward HPV vaccination

Damit müsste VIAF in der Lage sein, die Normdatensätze korrekt zusammenzufassen. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Vielen Dank, also Vermischung ist doch richtig, das war mir nicht so ganz klar. Ich hatte mir in der letzten Zeit wegen des ständigen Wechsels bei VIAF angewöhnt auch ein Datum einzutragen, damit nachvollzogen werden kann, wann die Unstimmigkeit geprüft wurde. Dazu hätte ich dann gleich auch noch eine Frage, gibt es für das Datum irgendein Kürzel? Es ist schon recht mühsam das Datum vollständig über die Tastatur einzutippen. :-) Das ist aber Jammern auf hohem Niveau, ansonsten freunde ich mich mit Wikidata so langsam an... Viele Grüße Silke (talk) 10:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Hallo Silke, ich glaub Du brauchst das "currentDate"-Gadget aus Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. Viele Grüße, —MisterSynergy (talk) 10:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

@Silewe: +1. Das Helferlein nutze ich auch. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Vielen Dank! Helferlein ist aktiviert!Silke (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)