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Contested blank-and-redirect to Co-counselling#Co-Counselling International. Insufficient secondary coverage of this organization, and article is promotional. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Co-counselling#Co-Counselling International: though even that section needs a lot of work and potentially shouldn't exist at all. No WP:SIGCOV of the organization. No point in merging anything because the content missing from co-counselling is all promotional junk. The BLAR was contested by John Talbut, an employee of the organization — if you're going to continue editing these articles, please disclose your COI on the talk page of the article to avoid confusion. C F A 💬 20:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've removed most of the blatant unsourced promo from the main article's section. C F A 💬 20:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- And I found and added a Guardian article that covers a lot about this organization's origins. Anyone should feel free to mine it for more. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- CCI is a peer network that I have been active in for many years. It does not have employees. People who teach co-counselling, of which I am one, may be paid, usually by participants or in some cases by outside organisations such as schools or colleges. John Talbut (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- You literally have "Formerly UK Contact Person for Co-Counselling International (CCI)" listed on your profile. Regardless, this is still a conflict of interest that has to be appropriately disclosed. C F A 💬 03:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- As the link shows, I am not anonymous and my biography is publicly available.John Talbut (talk) 11:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've removed most of the blatant unsourced promo from the main article's section. C F A 💬 20:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I had to get to the categories before I found out this article is about counseling as in mental health and not counseling as in lawyers. EDIT: Fixed and sourced. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Psychology-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The article is simply descriptive of Co-Counselling International as it is. There is plenty of secondary cover available, as can be seen here: https://www.co-counselling.info/en/biblio John Talbut (talk) 12:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I could not find a single paper on the website you linked that was secondary. They were all written by Co-counselling International. Some of them, in fact, were written by you. This is not secondary coverage at all. C F A 💬 03:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- What are you trying to do? Co-Counselling International is an active international network as is evident from following the web links referenced. You seem to be trying to delete most references to it. Do you have a COI? Co-Counselling International does not write anything, all contributions are made by and are the responsibility of individuals. Naturally a lot of the references are internal because they are about the network. If you think the article needs improvement please suggest how. John Talbut (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not have a COI. I had never seen this article before it was listed at AfD. Being an "active international network" means nothing when it comes to notability. Please read the notability guidelines for organizations:
- A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
- There is not significant coverage of this organization in independent, reliable sources — which means it is not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. The references you listed above are all not independent of the subject and thus do not count towards notability. If you have any policy-based evidence that the organization is notable (WP:NORG), now would be a good time to share it. C F A 💬 16:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Objection to AfD secondary references independent of subject https://www.academia.edu/33733482/My_Early_Engagement_with_Humanistic_Psychology
- Also
- https://www.martinwilks.com/research/1.1Co-counselling.htm
- which is best accessed from http://www.martinwilks.com/my-research/ Pbgvbiker (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Source one is written by John Heron, the founder (?) of Co-Counselling International: the exact opposite of independent. Neither is the page you listed — the author is involved with the organization. Not sure about its reliability either way. On another note, it's interesting how this account has only ever made one edit: the reply above to this seemingly-random AfD. Looks like a duck to me. C F A 💬 21:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not have a COI. I had never seen this article before it was listed at AfD. Being an "active international network" means nothing when it comes to notability. Please read the notability guidelines for organizations:
- What are you trying to do? Co-Counselling International is an active international network as is evident from following the web links referenced. You seem to be trying to delete most references to it. Do you have a COI? Co-Counselling International does not write anything, all contributions are made by and are the responsibility of individuals. Naturally a lot of the references are internal because they are about the network. If you think the article needs improvement please suggest how. John Talbut (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I could not find a single paper on the website you linked that was secondary. They were all written by Co-counselling International. Some of them, in fact, were written by you. This is not secondary coverage at all. C F A 💬 03:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 19:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)